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A Suggestion for a new forum: C&R

Dear Adam,

The only reason I found your site was because someone here recommended it to me. I'm hoping that more info can be shared in this forum and expose more of the true TFLers to the C&R world. If you like firearms, you must find this interesting to some extent.

I really liked your site as it is aimed at the C&R holder. (BTW, I'm always fascinated by must how much vernacular from firearms have found their way into the English language!) Hopefully, more and more collectors and enthusiasts will find themselves pursuing the C&R license just as I have. Ultimately, if more gun enthusiasts become involved, it can't help preserve our hobby and the history of the gun along with it. The knowledge base will increase, the younger generation will be exposed to the history and aura surrounding C&R weapons, and a whole host of things could follow: parts becoming more available, more history, more data, etc., etc.

Your website is only one that I've found that caters just to the C&R holder. Hopefully you'll have some competition.

Willie(?)Sutton, a famous bank robber, was once asked why he robbed banks. His answer, as I'm sure you all know was, "It's because that's were the money is." TFL is where the gun enthusiast are and we come to chat, learn, explore, and make a fool of ourselves once and a while without fear or retribution. Exposing all of them to C&R more actively can only help us all.

Rome
 
Rome, it's a bet!

The day you mail it out, mark
your calender for three weeks and I'll bet you coffee and a donut you have it in your
hands soon after.
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Ok, I will mark it, and if it comes back close to 3 weeks, you win, a coffee and a dognut shouldn't take too big a bite out of my C&R budget.:D
Lance
 
C&R at a snails pace

Ok, I called BATF in Detroit on Thursday, Mar. 8th.
They said they would put it in the mail.
Jackson is next day, first class mail from Detroit.
Called them again on Wed. Mar 14, and was told again, they would send it.
Recived it on Friday, Mar 16.
So, I filled it out, than noticed it was differant that the form I saw on the internet.
My form is dated approved 12/31/96
The one on the internet is dated 6-97, and says next to the date, that "PREVIOUS EDITION IS OBSOLETE"
WOW, I guess this might take 3 to 4 months afterall.
I am going to call the Atlanta Toll Free number Monday, and get the skinny.

Lance
 
Great! Know I know why I never bet! After our conversation, I spoke to a number of other C&R holders and the vast majority of them said three weeks or so, but a few did take longer. Oh well, let me know what kind of donut you like.

R
 
Lets go double or nothing

Ok Rome, let's go double, 6 weeks, looks like I would be happy to have it done in six weeks the way its going :D
What the heck, springs almost here, only got 3 inches of snow overnight:p
Take care, Lance
 
Aw, you're being too generous. I think you'll be surprized as to just how fast this thing actually arrives in your mailbox. I actually received the literature before I got the license. I'll tell you what. If you win, I'll even send you my snow shovel. I don't need it anymore even though we had a ton of snow here in Northern CT. Mich, however, makes us look bad in the snow catagory.

Keep me posted. I'll be interested to see just when it does arrive.

R
 
I agree. There are many aspect of C&R outside of the actual collecting. Many of us purchase older, military or antique firearms and a C&R forum would provide a place for us to post our questions:

How do I get the stupid cosmoline out of my hair and out of the wood?

What was the sling on the Hakim made from ?

How many MAS 49/56 were made and are they C&R eligible?

Etc, etc.

So, MasterGods of TFL, I think we could use a C&R format so that those of us who are attempting to preserve the history of firearms can have a place to "chaw the fat". What about it?

Rome

PS Adam Firestone-aka Cruffler, indicated that he'd "help" with the forum but not actually be in charge of it. Adam, I hope you don't mind me saying that here!

R
 
This is the first I have heard of a C&R license. So far it sounds interesting but somehow I am missing something …

Please explain the advantage of having such a license. What dose it enable me to own that I cannot already legally purchase? With a license issued by the ATF I am assuming that there are detailed records that must be submitted and kept and some obligation to submit to random unannounced inspections as with an FFL.

I love historical weapons … but how specifically is a C&R license an advantage?
 
You're right in assuming that you can legally purchase any firearm right now under "regular" circumstances. Let's say, however, that you find a really nice WWII rifle out in Washinton State. Normally, you'd have to have the rifle sent to an FFL in your state, pay him to do the paperwork, have it submitted, go through the background check, and finally pick it up. With a C&R, (which is a type 03 FFL), you'd simply pay for the rifle and have it shipped directly to your house. No background, no papers to file, simply pay and pick up. Now, this only extends to weapons which qualify for C&R designation as outlined by an extensive list published by the ATF.

Look, you're exposing yourself to the gubmint every time you buy a weapon. With the C&R, you're basically filling out the paperwork only once and then only you are responsible for the paperwork on yourself. As a matter of fact, the C&R application takes about 2 minutes to complete and submit.

So, the biggest advantage is that with an C&R, you can purchase any C&R qualified pistol or rifle from virtually any state in the union by simply paying for it. Gun shows are even better. Walk in and walk out without any hassle at all.

Finally, with a C&R, you're helping preserve some firearm history which might normally fade into obscurity. The way it looks now based on the constant rise in cost of the military weapons over the last few years, I'd way it is really catching on, too. Check it out. I'd hope that others who have been doing this for years will also reply here.

Rome
 
Ah …

The advantages are becoming a bit clearer. :)

What of full autos such as a vintage WWII BAR or “Grease Gun”? Would their “collector” status override the need for a class 3 in lue of a C&R?

As far as a new forum I would be of the opinion that it is at the very least worthy of consideration.
 
Adam will be able to tell you all of the legalities about this but suffice it to say, any overriding legal restrictions do apply at all times. Full automatic weapons notwithstanding. I will tell you however, if you go to the BATF website, go to the FFL section, find the C&R list, and you'll be overwhelmed with what is considered C&R elegible. Make a point to check it out.

Rome
 
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