A serious quesion on gun control - How can conservatives and liberals coexist?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dennis:
How often does the typical non-owner of guns picture the gun owner in a business
suit, or being a 105 lb female model who carries a .38 wheel gun?
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Hey Dennis, I'd like to meet that 105 lb packin' model if you've got her number... :)
 
Would you settle for a 103lb beauty with a Kahr K40 and an IQ greater than her weight and gun caliber (40) combined? Doesn't matter, you are a little late...but they do exist on TFL.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg Volk:
Would you settle for a 103lb beauty with a Kahr K40 and an IQ greater than her weight and gun caliber (40) combined? Doesn't matter, you are a little late...but they do exist on TFL.[/quote]

You betcha and dang, lucky guy - guess I'll keep looking...

Besides, I prefer a Glock 23... ;)

Ken

[This message has been edited by KenPaul (edited November 12, 2000).]
 
Sorry, Ken,

One girl (33 y/o) is 5'7", weighs about 120 and is a part-time model of expensive dresses. She exercises (hard and fast) for one hour every morning because she also competes nationwide in full-contact karate. She's married to a heck of a nice guy - my son-in-law. Yep, she's my oldest daughter.
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The 105lb young lady is a *former* model. I guess I should have said that. She's a bit over 5' tall, is a school teacher married to a fellow who never believed in the use of force.

She was gang-raped by three "underprivileged youths". I met her and her husband in one of our CHL classes. Later, we spent several Saturdays at the range as she honed her skills at hiding, accessing, and the effective and efficient use of her .45 auto.

We spent hours discussing scenarios, applicable laws, avoidance and use, etc.

(Yes, of course, safety! :) )

She's good - darned good. I'd feel very good about siding her should the need arise.

Oh, yeah. That's two more liberals who now believe in the Second Amendment, etc. ;)

They lurk here sometimes and I just want them to know that I am so very, very proud of them. They have become tough mentally, physically, and politically. They are our friends, however silent they choose to be because of their vocation.

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Either you believe in the Second Amendment or you don't.
Stick it to 'em! RKBA!
 
Many Many years ago, I had a History teacher who I idolized. He was a WWII vet was a Major in the infantry and involved in the Battle of the Bulge. He served his country and came home to become a teacher. He was the best teacher IMHO that I ever had. We could always get him to get off subject and tell war stories. But he taught history and taught it well.
The man had reason and a philisophical(sp) answer for everything.
One thing I learned from him and I still try to live my life this way is, I will play ball with you,If you play ball with me, If you don't play ball with me I'll wrap the bat around your head. I also believe Three strikes and your out.
I will do so much for so long to get along with someone and if I can't come to an amicable conclusion,Get out of my ball park I want nothing to do with you. And I might add I'm a pretty easy going person, That is until I'm backed into a corner ;)
Just my thoughts :)

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We preserve our freedoms by using four boxes: soap,ballot,jury, and cartridge.
Anonymous

[This message has been edited by loknload (edited November 12, 2000).]
 
Answer: We have to.
We also have to battle back the tide of regulations and legislation which are incrementally hemming in our freedoms. How? As with the "Broken Window" solution to crime.

Start by getting involved in local government and STOP the "little" encroachments on our freedoms such as planning and zoning regs, building codes, animal control laws, and ordinances against fireworks, weeds, and fortune tellers (honest - we have these still on the books in my city). As a city councilman I'm working to get these cut back or repealed.

It is hard though, because government regulator types have become used to telling people what to do in every part of their lives. And the sheople are used to being told and being taken care of.

"What's one more law about signs or trash or fireworks or drinking beer? It doesn't affect ME!"

You wanna bet? After the sign codes and anti-ugly laws come laws against owning guns and buying case-lots of food. After all, they're not aimed at "me". So when do these regulations and laws get stopped? Answer: when we get involved enough to change the mindset of going along with ever increasing restrictions.

But be very wary of "negotiations" and "compromise". For instance I vehemently objected to what amounted to an existing no-knock warrantless search clause in our planning and zoning code. I got nowhere because I would not compromise on a restrictive table of prohibited uses. I did finally get a slightly less invasive wording of that search clause because ONE Vietnam Vet wrote a supporting letter to the editor that week. That clause is still terrible, but it is better than it used to be (in the prior code). Eventually I hope to get it stripped out entirely, but local support from vociferous freedom lovers is essential. This support is also essential to prevent a similar clause from getting inserted into a revised animal control ordinance. I'm going to fight that search clause, but I need help (not from TFL'ers but from local libertarians).

Thus we HAVE to coexist with liberals because we HAVE to keep pushing their intrusions back, little by little. Otherwise they will incrementally imprison us in a web of laws. You say "they already ".

Folks, you ain't seen nuthin' yet. Coming down the pike are regulations that would make you sweat with fear and clean your rifles. Many of these laws and regs may seem impossible to pass, but we thought the same about present laws against bottle-rockets, sparklers and weeds in your lawn (let alone guns and beer).

Cheers?
Solitar, aka Joe
City Councilman, Leadville, Colorado
 
Solitar,

You are, of course, correct in how we should endeavor to protect our freedoms.

But (the inevitable "but"), with the imperial, um, I mean federal government intruding in the local governments at every level, much of what is done locally is moot. If the feds decide that they don't like what you are doing, they simply claim emminent domain and clobber you with a new regulation that must be obeyed or punishment will ensue (no "federal" highway funds, restricted school funding, etc, etc, etc...)

You could argue that the answer then would be to get involved at the federal level. Well, as we have just seen, that prospect is extremely iffy at best.

I don't mean to constantly push my cynical view of the process here, but I really don't see how we can dig our way out of the mess we are in.

Nevertheless, I know we should try. And if it has been said once, it has been said a thousand times - Nobody said freedom was free.

Ken

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God so values free will that He gave us all the freedom to turn our back on even Him. If liberty is that important to God, it should be that important to us all...
 
Because people are being conditioned to regs and laws for even the most local and basic issues, they then don't object to fed or state laws against other liberties.

We've got to start where we can get a handle on it. Fed and state levels are futile. We MUST get the local conditioning undone - starting at the ward and precinct level which ALSO happens to be the level at which the voter fraud has occurred to help Gore steal votes.
 
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