A sensable gun registration plan that I like

I've got a question, the law says that you may not posses a firearm if you are under 16 without a parents consent, does that mean that if i lived in vermont, and i had my parents permission,i could carry a concealed handgun?(im 15)
 
Your right blues man, police are more of a mop up crew and it would be a reverse registration which is just as bad. We as firearms owners do do all these good things such as defending our country and such, but we do this of our own and because we are good people ,not because we are hired to do so like the police are (not that police aren't good people, but they are hired by the public to perform these duties). Lets say someone in front of your house in the street is fighting with someone else. The neighbor next store sees this and goes out there and stops the fight (his trusty side by side convincing the two to stop )Now the other neighbor does nothing(partially because he's not home) Now should he be forced to pay the Government more money because he wasn't there to do any thing about the situation in front of your house?? He didn't take any direct action to stop it did he?
We can't start doing things like this. Just beacause you didn't take direct action to stop a crime doesn't mean your
automatically responsible for it. Are you responsible for the fire that destroyed your neighbors house since you didn't take any direct action (risk your life) to stop it?
It's the criminals that commited the crimes who are responsible for them. They are the ones who are putting the pressure on the system.

Jimpeel,non gunnies do pay for it,like you and I through their taxes and for them
the life or property of theirs they just lost because they weren't properly prepared. It is not for person B to fine person A for not taking care of his own life. Person A suffers the consequence of not being armed by losing his life or his property.

Why should we register people who haven't even committed a crime? What if this list was found by the criminals? What if they went to each and every house of the persons on the list and raided it and maybe killed the people inside? Sure it would be poetic justice , but I as a person don't exist to make life miserable for those around me wether they own guns or not. I as a person have the right to own guns or not to own guns. I think my owning of guns gives me an extra leval of protection against those who might wish to hurt me, but that's my decision to make ,not the governments. Even if you own guns it's not a guarentee that you will prevent crime. Lets say you do own a gun and you see that theres a cop and a bad guy dueling it out. You pull out your gun and start firing at the bad guy. You miss
with the first two shots but your next two get him between the eyes, to late the cop's already dead , but if your marksmanship had been better you probably would have gotten him with the first shot and not missed thereby preventing the bad guy from killing the cop. Are you resposible for the cops death? You did take direct action, but what the hell does that matter as the cop's dead. I know that I may be taking this to the extreme but that's were this could take us. Another looonnng post, Ide better ice my typing finger before it swells up :D
 
Here's the text of the bill as introduced:
http://www.leg.state.vt.us/docs/2000/bills/intro/h-760.htm

Interesting, because it also says that the $500 fee would be applied only if the person is also eligible for military service.

Exemptions for LEO and military, of course.

AN ACT RELATING TO REGISTRATION BY CITIZENS NOT OWNING FIREARMS

It is hereby enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Vermont:

Sec. 1. 3 V.S.A. § 118 is added to read:

§ 118. REGISTRATION BY CITIZENS NOT OWNING FIREARMS

(a) Residents of this state who are 18 years of age or older, and who do not own a firearm as defined in section 4016 of Title 13, shall be required to:

(1) register with the secretary of state's office, the person's name, address, Social Security number, and driver's license number and state of issuance; and

(2) pay a registration fee of $500.00 if the person is eligible for military service.

(b) The requirements imposed by this section shall not apply to residents who are law enforcement officers or members of the armed forces of this state or the United States.
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I like it. Makes perfect sense to me. But, like gun-registration, how to enforce it?
 
How to Enforce it...ha,ha.. Just like in old times there must be a muster day for the militia, where every man shows up with their rifle.. It was quite extravagent in virginia, people showed up in all sorts of wild costoumes..

besides that the law would set a general tone..most law abider would want to "do no wrong" and the rest can live in fear of being busted,...just like they put me or you in fear of every-one in N.Y...


P.S. Can any one answer Powderrific? All I know is check the law with the state police (tell them its about a "friend" and call from a pay phone just in case) Plus there is a fedral law mandating majority age (18) for Ownership to keep in mind...Any one from Vermont??????
 
Bullpup And blues Man,

Dudes dont forget we already register non-crimminals for the sake of defense...Its called "Selective Service" THE DRAFT it is still law and any one till the age of 26 must register or face a possible penilty of ( o.k. let break out the draft card " YOUR FAILURE TO PROVIDE THE REQUIRED INFORMATION MAY VIOLATE THE MILITARY SELECTIVE SERVICE ACT. CONVICTION OF SUCH VIOLATION MAY RESULT IN IMPRISONMENT OF NOT MORE THAN FIVE YEARS OR A FINE OF NOT MORE THAN 250,000 u.s.d. OR BOTH IMPRISONMENT AND FINE".

Now I hope that if we get our state muster bills passed ( one of these days) it will only be made a misdomenor so we don't cage men like animals and strip liberty vs. defend it.

I dont like "selective" service. But you bet I am registered!!! (ssn# and current adress...) The state roll in Vermont could be used to see which citizens of the state are worthy to be cast to the feds in time of war...Scince they do no one any good they could be the first to serve our greater Imperium...
 
I don't live in vermont, i was just curious, so if no one knows, thats ok. :)

Also, i belive that there is some law about not being able to purchase handguns from a gun store if you are under 21.
 
Just because we have it doesn't mean it's right.The draft doesn't provide a list of Gun owners and non gun owners which could be used to infringe on someones rights.Someone who choses not to own a gun doesn't infringe on my rights. We make laws that say that if you infringe on the rights of others than you are held responsible for that,at least that's the way we should, and it's the CRIMINALS who are infringing on the rights of others, not your neighbors because they don't own a gun. Just because I own guns isn't proof that I will prevent a crime or even stop one and just because your neighbor doesn't own a gun isn't proof that he wont prevent or stop a crime either. I of course beleive that guns give me an edge in an encounter with the dark side. I understand the argument though and I beleive we all have the moral responsibility to help others and our country when that time comes, but I also beleive in free will and that You have the right to do anything you want as long as you don't infringe on the rights of others, morally you can disagree with that person on what he does but as long as his actions don't infringe on my rights I don't think we should be criminalizing them and I don't think that someone chosing not to own a gun is an infringement of my rights. Besides that, why should we trust big brother to do only good things with such a list? I will do my job in the defense of this country if the time comes, but I don't want to be on some list that might specify my weapons capabilities which could eventually happen sometime in the future which the government might someday use against me.

Powderific, I don't live in Vermont but I am assuming if you were in an emergency and you had to carry concealed (someone else or yourself was in imminant danger)that carrying concealed would be legal. No you can't buy one if your under 21, you can however use one with your parents permission. I'm not sure that just because you have your parents permission you could carry concealed whenever and for whatever reason you want though.
 
powderific, I checked Vermont's online statutes, but good find nothing that would bar a person age 16 and older from carrying a concealed weapon, as long as that firearm were given to the minor by his parent or guardian.

Now, don't run off and try it, PLEASE! Check around with some people locally first!
 
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