A Reason Why Bush Does Nothing About Criminal Immigration

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The Mexicans who replaced them did so at exactly the same wages.
And if they got hurt on your job, then they would not claim workmans comp. and your rates don't go up and I bet you don't give them the raises as quick either.
If employers wanted to be policemen, we'd have badges and nice blue suits.
Not purposely commiting a crimminal act is not being a police officer. Hiring an illegal makes you a criminal!!
Every illegal immigrant in Seattle can purchase the appropriate documentation for legal employment in less than two hours, for less than two hour's pay.
Counterfeit government documents is a serious crime. You may as well hire a thief.
We're not cops. We're businessmen. For cop business, call cops. We're not any more interested in enforcing the anti-immigrant, America-First policies that you hold near and dear than we are in enforcing anti-gun policies, religious doctrine, anti-gay marriage policies, or anti-Mormon crusades.
Like I said, not breaking the lawdoes not make you a cop. You are a criminal for hiring someone who you know has forged federal and state government documents. Oh and I forgot, your also a criminal for hiring a known illegal immigrant. When you fill out his W-4 form (or whatever it is called that employers fill out for taxes) aren't you commiting fraud as well? Now your a felonious criminal.
The market says we don't, and we are businessmen.
And drug dealers, mafia members, conmen, Robert Milken, and the guys who ran Enron are true buisinessmen too. A criminal is a criminal and not a buisinessman!!!
 
"A little work? Take a look at a map of the US southern border....it's what, 1500 miles long? Do you have any estimate of what it would cost to build, maintain, and man (to prevent certain breach) a wall 1500 miles long!? "


a wall is not neccessary. IF there were NO jobs for them, if there was NO free healthcare,NO free educations, NO nothing, then they would stop coming and the ones who are already here would leave. a real simple solution that would cost little or nothing.


a mexican woman can sneak over the border and have her baby here and bam, its an American, entitled to all the free welfare and healthcare and educations that come with it, all at taxpayers expense.
 
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Jammer, getting out of your car when shift starts is a competitive advantage? I thought it was a Constitution right as a native born American for an employer to give you a check? :D I must remember that. :p
 
Just amazing!!!!

For how long have members of this and other fora moaned and groaned over Bush apparent unwillingness to do anything meaningful in terms of hindering (not stopping mind you, just hindering) the flow of criminal aliens. Some members (me included) figure the problem is V. Fox has compromising 8 X 10 glossies of Bush and some barnyard animal.

So now I find an article with "A" explanation and for some reason we can't discuss its validity. We get sidetracked railing about the evils of criminal aliens, those who hire them, and unemployed middle aged guys who can't get a job. In a futile attempt to put the thread back on track: What do you think of the reason for doing nothing is because if Bush does anything the situation will get far worse?

Amazing.
 
jammer six, you're greedy. end of story. You want the cheapest labor you can get. You and all the other employers out there will pay as little as possible, which means you don't hire hard-working, self-respecting Americans.

You drive the wage as low as possible. You hire mexicans, drunks, and crackheads- you find out the drunks and crackheads didn't work out, then surmise that Americans are too damned lazy to hire. If any of you paid enough for a man to support his family, (few employers do around here) you'd have real American workers.

Jammer, getting out of your car when shift starts is a competitive advantage? I thought it was a Constitution right as a native born American for an employer to give you a check? I must remember that.

I kind of chuckled when I read that. You're right- nobody owes you a dime in this world. But, you don't get rich by working for someobody like jammer six, whether you work hard or not. you have to go out there and be jammer six, and make your money off the mexican's hard work. Or get out of whatever industry you're in and work in one that pays well.

Me- agriculture to telecommunications. makes a funny-looking resume :D

I don't have a problem with the fact that businessmen are businessmen and are going to pay as little as they can for what they sell. It's the free-market economy, which is o.k. with me. I take offense at the idea that all Americans are lazy POS because they won't work for less than subsistence wages.

Waitone Just amazing!!!!

For how long have members of this and other fora moaned and groaned over Bush apparent unwillingness to do anything meaningful in terms of hindering (not stopping mind you, just hindering) the flow of criminal aliens.

Fine. I'll talk about your danged topic. :rolleyes: I don't remember ever moaning and groaning about Bush, but I'll take a crack at it if you wnat me to. I think the more immigrants Bush lets in the more voters he gets. He's relied heavily on the "hispanic" vote in my state, and those voters get upset when you start shipping their brothers and sisters back home.
 
I don't care if the illegals in the US stay here for another 5 years... I just want to focus on keeping more from getting in.

1) Construct a wall (hey, money for contractors) along the border. Most likely chain link fence with motion wire (whatever its called) running through it, two sections 100 feet apart.

2) Army National Guard will stand ready and patrol with .50s on their hummers.

3) Criminals caught will be incarcerated for a maximum of 2 days at the local NG facility in the cheapest cells possible, driven to the checkpoint and released. No medical treatment accept bread, water, life-threatening wounds.

4) If there is any resistance... well that's what the .50s are for.

As to Bush's motives... as above... HISPANIC VOTE! Anyone who doesn't know this either (a) doesn't realize what a politician is, or (b) doesn't realize Bush is a politician.
 
While of course any generalization about immigrants (just like one about citizens) will have it's exceptions, I happen to believe that immigrants are in general, beneficial for the country. The people who come from the poorer countries are in general, the more ambitious, optimistic, adventurous and energetic - that's why they come - the lazy folks are still sitting there.

I don't think we so much need to toughen immigration laws. I think the INS/BCIS or whatever they are calling them these days are largely lazy, disorganized and incompetent (and yes I've had lots of first hand experience with them - stunning, I've never seen anything like it, in any organization, private or public). If they could get some degree of professionalism, organization, semi-modern computer technology, training, etc, etc, in the BCIS and have them be an effective, efficient organization - that would be of great benefit.

Immigration laws have already stiffened, and red tape deepened. In the technology sector and our educational institutions, this has already had a chilling effect. Foreign graduate students make up at least 50% of researchers in technical departments in Universities, and foreign workers at least 50% of researchers in high tech R&D organizations. I am a consultant now, but my last "regular" job in a computational laboratory had 60% foreign born workers in it. The "brain drain" was hurting the foreign countries - taking their best people and bringing them here. If you are a staunch nationalist, you better hope these people keep coming!

While I've had much less direct experience with illegal immigrants coming up from the south, I have had some in a farming town I used to live in, and a lot of the locals there felt threatened by them and seemed to feel they were "dangerous". When I saw them, they just looked like poor people who worked hard in the fields to me. I chatted a little with them, and was never afraid, actually, I liked them better than the locals that despised them so. :D

As to Bush, he and the GOP are really trying to increase their popularity with the Latino vote, which they've already done successfully, and want to continue on with, it's demographics - that sector of the population is the fastest growing ethnic group, and a politician's job, regardless of party, is to get elected. If you want to do that, you won't try to impose Draconian measures on immigrants from Latin America.
 
jammer six, you're greedy. end of story. You want the cheapest labor you can get. You and all the other employers out there will pay as little as possible, which means you don't hire hard-working, self-respecting Americans.

You drive the wage as low as possible. You hire mexicans, drunks, and crackheads- you find out the drunks and crackheads didn't work out, then surmise that Americans are too damned lazy to hire.
Oh, that made my day.

Every one of the employees I've been speaking of came straight out of the hiring hall, from the United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners.

They were all paid union wages and benefits.

Washington state has some of the highest union construction wages in the United States.

Now, since THAT argument didn't work out for you, here's your next set of ignorant assumptions: unions undermine the free market, because they are socialist.

Oh, wait, there's logical problems ahead with that one, too... :D
 
I frankly don't see any reasonable argument that would associate this thread with the mission of The Firing Line (see my signature line.).

Closed as off-topic.
 
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