A Reason Why Bush Does Nothing About Criminal Immigration

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A lot of forum members express puzzlement over why Bush appears to be doing ABSOFREAKIN'LOUTLY NOTHING about criminal immigration from across the southern border. I have yet to read anything that comes close to explaining why.

Weell, here is the first I've read and it explains a lot of what passes for policy. http://canadafreepress.com/2005/caruba052905.htm

Mexico's Coming Collapse
Alan Caruba
Sunday, May 29, 2005

I received an email recently from a 55-year-old, unemployed American who had been to 14 States looking for work. He couldn’t find any, he said, because "I am not a Mexican."

Despite a desire to work, he could not compete with the cheap wages Mexican illegals will take. They do so because wages in Mexico continue to leave a vast portion of that nation’s population in poverty, forced to live on $3 to $4 dollars per person a day.

According to data from the CIA, 40% of the Mexican population lives below the poverty line. The current population is estimated to be 106,202,900 people and the labor force is estimated to be 34.73 million. Despite being rich in natural resources, the Mexican economy is highly dependent on the U.S. economy. We buy 84% of all Mexican exports, compared to Canada that buys a mere 1.8%. "Per capita income is one-fourth that of the U.S.; income distribution remains highly unequal." That’s a diplomatic way of saying a handful of Mexican elites own most of everything.

There are a lot of reasons advanced to explain why the Bush administration will do nothing to stop the flow of illegals across our southern border, the vast bulk of whom are Mexicans, but the one I had not heard until I received the email was that Mexico would collapse without the money sent back by the Mexicans, legal and illegal, among us. When you look at the economic data, it is the one explanation that begins to make sense.

Ignoring the financial and social impact that millions of illegal Mexican workers are having on America may well be the U.S. government’s way of avoiding a tsunami of even more Mexicans crossing over in the wake of an economic disaster, the collapse of the Mexican economy.

The most dramatic change that the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement has had is the way it has emptied out whole sections of Mexico as its former citizens head north. People don’t do this because they have a choice. Mexico is not creating new jobs. It is, instead, sending its people here to take over all kinds of jobs that unemployed Americans no longer can get.

The World Bank confirms the CIA data that nearly half of the Mexican population is just as poor today as they were in the 1960s. That’s not slow growth. That’s no growth.

According to Bloomberg.com, "Mexico’s economy grew at the slowest pace in a year in the first quarter as U.S. demand for the nation’s autos, textiles, and appliances declined."

Surpassing oil and tourism, the estimated $20 billion in U.S. dollars that Mexicans sent home last year is the mainstay of Mexico’s economy. When your main export is your citizens, your nation is in big trouble.

Moreover, Mexico has found a new competitor when it comes to exports. China has surpassed our southern neighbor as the top supplier to the U.S. of a vast array of assembled goods, as well as textiles, office computers, metal parts, and prefabricated construction parts.

Mexico’s problems have become America’s problems despite all the hoopla about NAFTA. The failure to stem illegal immigration and all the problems that go with it will become a major political issue in the 2006 elections and beyond. It simply cannot be ignored, though the Bush administration is doing its best to do just that.

My correspondent is probably just one of thousands of able-bodied Americans who cannot get work because illegal Mexicans will take any job available, but even worse news for Americans is the growing trend that is out-sourcing of many white-collar jobs. Though it is hard to determine due to reporting procedures, there is no debate regarding the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs that will leave many Americans unemployed in the years directly ahead as their jobs migrate to India, China and other nations.

So while the potential of economic collapse of Mexico looms to the south of us, internally jobs are disappearing into cybersphere as workers in developing nations, receiving far less than American workers, are the beneficiaries of the way technology speeds aspects of globalization. Here again, the US government is taking no steps to address this looming crisis. If the US economy begins to falter, Mexico’s will tank.

Is anyone paying any attention to this? Well, I am and so is my out-of-work correspondent. Maybe you should, too?
 
I'm not enough of an expert on economy to comment on the actual arguement put forward in the article, but the thing that jumped out at me the most was:

I received an email recently from a 55-year-old, unemployed American who had been to 14 States looking for work. He couldn’t find any, he said, because "I am not a Mexican."

You're telling me that no macdonalds in a 14 state area will give you a job? Well, maybe you have a high school education and don't want to work at a minimum wage job... you're telling me that all non-skilled jobs such a laborer, tele-solicitor, tech-help, temp agency, or any mindless jobs are all taken by illegal immigrants?
Or, if you're willing to travel 14 states, how about going 4 states north to where this is not a problem. (I have never met a mexican within 60 miles of my hometown in PA).
 
-Mr. Bush I need some cheap labor under the table, can you help me out here?

-Sure Mr. Corporation I'll just ignore the illegals! Please contribute to my campaign.
 
How does an unemployed guy go through 14 states looking for work? As much as I say there aren't any summer jobs for college kids in my area, if I really needed one, I'd have one.
 
When an immigrant crosses the border, we get stronger and the country he or she is leaving gets weaker.

The weak, lame and lazy don't come.

Last winter, I replaced an American "foreman" that I found sleeping in his car on my time, and an American carpenter who claimed that the injuries he received "boarding" caused him too much pain to work when it got cold with Mexicans who show up early, work hard, and do excellent work.

I'm very proud of them, and they've changed my views of immigrants.

Most of you have immigrants as ancestors.

Some of them were even legal.

China, North Korea, the former Soviet Union all demonstrate that a sealed border is a sure sign of a diseased country.

Patriotic Americans would never tolerate the sacrifices of freedom that would be necessary to seal our borders, and it amuses me that some of the same people who rail against national ID cards complain about our immigration "problems".

Let them come. Make them welcome. Remove the barriers.

Like checkpoints and searches at airports, the cure is worse than the disease.

If searches at airports could prevent hijacking, I'd be all in favor of it. But since they don't, and can't, stop touching my wife, and stop touching me.

If sealed borders would solve anything, it might be worth considering, but they wouldn't, they can't, so give us your tired, your poor.

It's more important to be free.
 
HEY MODERATOR! Feel free to close this thread. People don't seem interested in dealing with the purpose of the article (A possible reason why Bush is doing nothing about Mexican immigration) in favor of dealing with perpherial issues like unemployed white guys or the superior work ethic of illegal immigrants.
 
:rolleyes:

Could not find a job in 14 states? A new track record! Yeah, right, I hear that one during probation violation hearings or child support hearings! :D

I can't finds me a job. Ummm, have you tried getting off the couch? :p
 
Make legal immigration easie AND illegal immigration harder.

More INS clerks to handle legal immigration forms AND more border patrol agents.

More approved forms for the hard-working immigrant - more handcuffs and landmines for the illegal border-jumping thug.

Better INS paper handling - better marksmanship training for the Border Patrol.

It is all I have to say.
 
"Last winter, I replaced an American "foreman" that I found sleeping in his car on my time, and an American carpenter who claimed that the injuries he received "boarding" caused him too much pain to work when it got cold with Mexicans who show up early, work hard, and do excellent work"


you should be arrested and charged. if the American workers were lazy, fire them, there are plenty of Americans who are NOT lazy. your hiring "mexican nationals" just to save yourself a buck, im sure your passing that savings on to your customers right?


if one of those illegals were to rape your wife or kidnap your child, i bet your opinions of illegals will change AGAIN. they arent all decent hardworking people. we have quite a few of them here in our Texas prison system, some of whom are on death row.
 
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so .....

lower the living standards of the american middle class in order to prevent economic collapse in mexico.

who wants to argue that we don't already live under global socialism?

because, you know, if my neighbor can't afford groceries i buy them for him so he won't steal them from me.

it all makes perfect sense now :rolleyes:
 
When an immigrant crosses the border, we get stronger and the country he or she is leaving gets weaker.

Really sir, no truth to that sentence at all. The only people who gain are
the rich here and in Mexico, it is in fact a loss to the American taxpayer.
 
jammer six:

When I was in the agricultural business I got pretty danged sick and tired of hearing all the crap about how lazy us Americans were and and how industrious Guatemalans and Mexicans were.

My point was you hire people on at $5 an hour and expect to get the cream of the crop. Sorry. You pay $5 an hour, you're gonna get lazy drug addicts, or you get Guatemalans and they bust their asses, because they're not used to the American standard of living. I was demanding $10 an hour and couldn't get it at the time. What a greedy bastard I was, wanting to pay for my kids and wife to live in a house. Guatemalans were happy living in 5 guys to a $300 a month trailer, and sending money home to their families. I suppose I'd be happy too, if my only alternative was to have my family living with me in a shipping container.

You will see after a while when these immigrants get tired of slaving for someone who doesn't recognize their worth, they will learn English (or move to Miami) and get better jobs and will NOT bust their asses for $5 an hour. Of course, that doesn't make them lazy. That makes them Americans.

Back on topic, I've seen comments like those of jammer six from germans talking about Polish workers. I think whenever you have a counrty with a weak economy next to one with a strong economy, you're always going to have problems with the labor, labor rates, and immigration, legal or not. What's the solution.

I have a friend who says we should just buy Mexico. I'm sure if we all get together we can buy enough of it to make our own policies. :D

Other than that, all you can do is let immigrants in and loosen trade at a very controlled pace.
 
MB equals my sentiment exactly. And for the record, all my ancestors came here LEGALLY, bothered to do the paperwork, learn English and become American.

If the Mexicans want to come here legally, I'm all for that. We should encourage that. We should not encourage crossing the border illegally and working for $2/hour, just to send the money back to bring more here illegally.

And I'm sure you paid those illegals the same amount you paid your American foreman, right?

I have a feeling you don't understand the difference between a completely seald border, that countries like the USSR had, where no one got in and out, and one that is set up to prevent illegal entry, but allows those that wish to come legally to come.
 
I'm very proud of them, and they've changed my views of immigrants.
Jammer, knock it off. No one here has problems with immigrants. We have problems with ILLEGAL ALIENS. There is a difference.
 
BTW, not to flame, jammer six. I was trying to refute a similar attitude I've run into among small business owners and foreman over here. :)
 
I will add a bit of insight to the article that you may not have considered.

Vicente Fox is the first elected leader in Mexico to break the mold of the previous utterly corrupt government. He ran and was elected on a populist platform.

Unfortunately, Fox too turned out to be a liar, a talker and not a do-er. But that is another story. He is after all a politician.

Right now the Mayor of Mexico is poised to be elected President (actually later this year). This fellow is a fine friend of both Fidel and Hugo Chavez.

The money sent to Mexico (and taxed) or pumped into their economy from illegal Mexicans working in America also has the Mexican Government flush with cash from tax revenue for the first time ever.

Bush has decided to abandon his oath of office and the American People to support Vicente Fox.

I am praying that when the new socialist/populist gets elected president that Bush has a change of heart.

A wall and a little work on our part and we could evict all 20 million of them. We get a down turn in our econonmy (as opposed to letting these illegals suck the life out of us) and we will evict them.

How many of you know that in 1939 Roosevelt deported 2 million illegal Mexicans? How many of you know that Eisenhower evicted over 1.2 million of them during his administration??

When the Mexican Government cleans up its own act I have no problem helping. But letting them over run the country at the expense of US citizens is simply treasonous.
 
A wall and a little work on our part and we could evict all 20 million of them. We get a down turn in our econonmy (as opposed to letting these illegals suck the life out of us) and we will evict them.


A little work? Take a look at a map of the US southern border....it's what, 1500 miles long? Do you have any estimate of what it would cost to build, maintain, and man (to prevent certain breach) a wall 1500 miles long!?

Then, aside from the impact on personal freedoms, the cost to send policemen around demanding to see papers and arresting, detaining, and shipping away 20 million people???

It would likely be cheaper to build an exact copy of the whitehouse for every man woman and child in Mexico. These solutions are not even remotely feasible. Jammer Six, whatever you want to say about his employment decisions, has a point: weak and lazy people aren't going to walk 50 miles through a flaming desert. So when you add the costs of a wall and an army of paper-checkers to the loss of workers, this eviction and wall plan gets even more costly.

Eisenhower's and Roosevelt's deportations weren't just of illegals...in those days, it was reported widely that no one bothered to ask. If you were brown and with an accent and living on the border, you were at risk of being shoved off. Those were the days before we had a more refined idea of civil rights. And roosevelt did bring in Mexicans later on to work agriculture, in order to keep the WWII economy running.
 
Then, aside from the impact on personal freedoms, the cost to send policemen around demanding to see papers and arresting, detaining, and shipping away 20 million people???
It may be impractical to completely stop illegal immigration, but it can at least be controlled or at least be kept form getting further out of hand. We don't need to send policemen around asking for papers when they could easily have deported millions (wild guestimate) of illegals they had arrested or ticketed for other offenses. Instead they are letting the illegal alien felons (and lesser offenders) go.
weak and lazy people aren't going to walk 50 miles through a flaming desert.
Many of them are driven across by "coyotes" and many of them never realised how hard it would be to make the trek. But this is moot to me since I don't think they are lazy either. Just breaking the law and hurting our system.
Eisenhower's and Roosevelt's deportations weren't just of illegals...in those days, it was reported widely that no one bothered to ask. If you were brown and with an accent and living on the border, you were at risk of being shoved off.
I beleive it. Remember Cheech Marin in "Born in East L.A."? :)
So when you add the costs of a wall and an army of paper-checkers to the loss of workers, this eviction and wall plan gets even more costly.
The wall could be breached, but it would mostly work. The border patrol could use their resources more efficiently by focussing on the occasional breach. It might save money in the long run by needing fewer border patrollers and by keeping the public health system from being overwhelmed. If the police started deporting the people they catch for other offenses, there would be more respect of the immigration laws and more of those people would be more liklely to go through the proper channels.

If we stop employers from blatantly breaking the law and helping the situation from getting worse (like Jammer six does) then there would be more respect of the law and fewer offenders crossing the border and the wages of legal documnented immigrant workers would get a decent wage. They get a decent wage, more taxes are paid and the taxpayers don't have to pay for a job injury because the workmens comp. insurance will now be used (and the legal worker is really the one who pays for the insurance with a lower wage than what they would get paid without the insurance).


If we need to change the immigration laws in conjunction with deporting the illegal immigrants, then fine. But the ammnesty plans alone have made the current problems worse because it encourages employers and illegals to break the laws more often. Bush's proposal is a joke and is designed to keep the problem the way it is. Maybe what we need to do is allow them to come here legally and then enforce all of the labor laws. That way the American citizen worker can compete on a more level playing field and the immigrant worker can collective bargain for proper wages. They make more money, they spend more money, more money is taxed and the public system now has a balanced income.

If we really need their labor, then why is there 6 million + workers unemployed? The large corporation farmers (that own something like 70% of all farms now) would still make their money, the price of vegetables would still be low (enough) and there would be more crop picking technology advances made becasue of a greater demand for it. The people making the high tech machines would also make more money to put into the system because they will most likely make 4 times as much as the crop picker.
 
If we really need their labor, then why is there 6 million + workers unemployed?
Well, one of them because he sleeps in his car, another because he gets cold...

The Mexicans who replaced them did so at exactly the same wages.

The only thing that changed was that production went through the roof, because it turns out that it's a real competitive advantage in today's labor market to get out of your car when your shift starts.

If employers wanted to be policemen, we'd have badges and nice blue suits.

Every illegal immigrant in Seattle can purchase the appropriate documentation for legal employment in less than two hours, for less than two hour's pay.

We're not cops. We're businessmen. For cop business, call cops. We're not any more interested in enforcing the anti-immigrant, America-First policies that you hold near and dear than we are in enforcing anti-gun policies, religious doctrine, anti-gay marriage policies, or anti-Mormon crusades.

It's not what we do. It will never be what we do.

The market says we don't, and we are businessmen.

Tenga un día agradable.
 
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