Spotted Owl
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When my dad was growing up in the '40s, kids would go squirrel hunting on the way to school and then store their rifles in the classroom's coatroom during class. Try that today and see how fast the SWAT team shows up.
A Michael Moore whine that might relate to gun owners
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Garand Illusion
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Progunner1957 -- Kind of the same points I was making. The whole point was to be in favor of armed teachers -- or at least looking at the situation. There are good arguments against all of those anti-gun statments -- I wasn't making the points, just repeating them. I wouldn't necessarily argue all of them in exactly the same way as you did, but I wish someone would say those things in the mainstream media in a way that would get attention. Any chance you could get on a national news show? 
Fred Hansen -- You say people are different today because in your day kids were stronger and toughter and didn't deal with each other violently (at least not with lethal force) because they were sweaty farm kids.
I still say kids haven't changed that much, but reporting has. When kids mixed it up in my high school the police were never called unless someone was hurt. I didn't go to a particularly rough or inner city school, but I do know of a couple of situations were knives were pulled but the cops weren't called because teachers broke it up and no blood was drawn -- kid's just went to the dean's office and parents were called. That definitely wouldn't happen these days, and these days those enounters would be tallied up as school violence because police reports would be filed.
If none of this ever happened in your rural school, you're lucky; my wife is from a rural community and I think her school is mostly like that still (although my FIL as been called there as a LEO a few times for guns brought on campus, but never used).
But there have always been inner city schools and school violence. There were youth gangs and weapons -- I've seen movies and news reels from teh 30's and 50's both about the "new" threat of youth gangs. Maybe not in your school, but elsewhere. Seems like youth violence is a "new" threat for every aging generation.
But putting generally non-lethal violence aside, are there more mass shootings now than before? I also read the paper when I was young and didn't read much about them, so possibly so. But like I said ... I don't think that back then the national news media were as likely to jump on a single story and spend every broadcast hour/daily paper rehashing the same facts. I'm sure a Columbine level killing would get some play, but as has been said it may be the greater availability of semi-auto weapons and the influence of mass-killing on video games that has an effect. Or the copy cat effect once a helpless person sees how famous Harris and Klebold got. I dunno -- haven't done the research myself.
But if you're right and kids have changed ... then maybe the 2nd amendment does need to be revised. If the new generation can't handle weapons, then it's time to revise that 200 year old document to adapt to the new generation.
But I don't think that's the case. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Though with faster cars, instantenous communications, the internet and better weapons a lot of things can happen in a more dramatic and well reported fashion.
My $7.50 (got way beyond .02 some posts ago)
Fred Hansen -- You say people are different today because in your day kids were stronger and toughter and didn't deal with each other violently (at least not with lethal force) because they were sweaty farm kids.
I still say kids haven't changed that much, but reporting has. When kids mixed it up in my high school the police were never called unless someone was hurt. I didn't go to a particularly rough or inner city school, but I do know of a couple of situations were knives were pulled but the cops weren't called because teachers broke it up and no blood was drawn -- kid's just went to the dean's office and parents were called. That definitely wouldn't happen these days, and these days those enounters would be tallied up as school violence because police reports would be filed.
If none of this ever happened in your rural school, you're lucky; my wife is from a rural community and I think her school is mostly like that still (although my FIL as been called there as a LEO a few times for guns brought on campus, but never used).
But there have always been inner city schools and school violence. There were youth gangs and weapons -- I've seen movies and news reels from teh 30's and 50's both about the "new" threat of youth gangs. Maybe not in your school, but elsewhere. Seems like youth violence is a "new" threat for every aging generation.
But putting generally non-lethal violence aside, are there more mass shootings now than before? I also read the paper when I was young and didn't read much about them, so possibly so. But like I said ... I don't think that back then the national news media were as likely to jump on a single story and spend every broadcast hour/daily paper rehashing the same facts. I'm sure a Columbine level killing would get some play, but as has been said it may be the greater availability of semi-auto weapons and the influence of mass-killing on video games that has an effect. Or the copy cat effect once a helpless person sees how famous Harris and Klebold got. I dunno -- haven't done the research myself.
But if you're right and kids have changed ... then maybe the 2nd amendment does need to be revised. If the new generation can't handle weapons, then it's time to revise that 200 year old document to adapt to the new generation.
But I don't think that's the case. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Though with faster cars, instantenous communications, the internet and better weapons a lot of things can happen in a more dramatic and well reported fashion.
My $7.50 (got way beyond .02 some posts ago)
Garand Illusion
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Bobarino -- don't try to hold it back while reading michaelmoore.com. Keep a bucket near and let it all out. You'll hurt yourself.
To the others -- My dad, in the '30s, used to go out with other students and hung during their lunch hour. Shooting in a field that they could see the school in the distance. Rural school in South Dakota.
To the others -- My dad, in the '30s, used to go out with other students and hung during their lunch hour. Shooting in a field that they could see the school in the distance. Rural school in South Dakota.
Fred Hansen
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That isn't all that I said, but congratulations on your ability to read selectively.