A Gore Coup d'Etat? SHTF scenario sooner than you think.

Martial Law will not work. Here is why.
George Bush has been elected according to the constitution.
The Clinton Order will call up the Units.
The Units will muster.
The Units will talk.
The Units which are made up of Americas finest will be on our side.
There may be some tension - but that will abate after Bush is escorted to the whitehouse to assume control.

Should things happen differently - I think there are many good people ready to take our Country back from the men who are attempting to steal it.
I'm ready. I know others who are ready.
We are keeping our eyes and ears open and staying low until the time should come.
Hopefully things will be resolved politically. Screw North and South. This is East meets West. And West kicking the snott out of the East.

[This message has been edited by George Hill (edited November 11, 2000).]
 
George,

Please remember one thing: Many people who reside in the "East" have entirely "Western" hearts and values. The opposite is true too. LA is geographically about as far "West" as one can get, however it is the epicenter of the "East" we'll eventually have to overcome.

Best regards.
 
RWK, Dont you worry about LA I'm already out here I'll take care of it, you just take care of the "east" east. :D

We take care of the east that is out here in the west real quick like so we can fight on just the one front back east ;)

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The beauty of the second Amendment is that it is not needed until they try to take it. T JEFFERSON

Do you really think that we want those laws to be observed? We want them broken. We're after power and we mean it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breakings laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted-and you create a nation of law breakers--and then you cash in on guilt.
A RAND

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As things stand, without an unexpected LEGAL victory by bush, Gore is going to win the recount. I've just heard it explained on CSPAN's Washington journal: Gore requested the manual recount in a few heavily Democratic counties, but Bush didn't request any hand recounts in Republican counties, and THE DEADLINE HAS PASSED! Why does this matter?

Because some small percentage of people who vote fail to punch the hole all the way; The machine doesn't pick this up, the hand recount does. Even if the hand recount is perfectly impartial, because it's being conducted in an area where Gore won, it's going to inevitably add more Gore votes than Bush votes; They're estimating an excess of about 1900 Gore votes. That gives Florida to Gore!

Now, if they held a hand recount across the entire state, it would ballance out, and we'd probably see a Bush victory. But the deadline has passed, it's too late for Bush to request a hand recount in HIS counties. His only hope at this point, assuming that he can't get Gore's hand recount stopped, and he probably can't, is to get a judge to order hand recounts across the entire state even though the deadline has passed.


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Sic semper tyrannis!
 
TShoes and all the rest...

There's problems with the martial law/Clinton stays in the White House scenario...

There's absolutely no provision for a sitting president to stay beyond election day. Even during the Civil War and WW II, elections were held as scheduled.

Clinton would have to completely suspend the Constitution (which wasn't even done during the Civil War), dissolve the Congress (which he has absolutely NO power to do), and essentially declare himself dictator.

In order to stay in power, he would have to have the backing of the Military, the members of which have also sworn to uphold the Constitution and defend it against any ememy, foreign or DOMESTIC.

Clinton's stock with the military is, to put it bluntly, completely poopy.

Plus, if he attempts to stay President PAST inauguration day, he becomes, in essence, Joe Citizen again, leaving himself open to arrest by just about any police force that wants to take him.

The most likely scenario would be that Clinton declares himself Dictator. Congress convenes in emergency session, and immediately the House impeaches him.

The Senate almost as quickly convicts.

A Federal Judge issues a fugitive warrant, and the manhunt is on.

Who would go get him?

Secret Service? No love, there. I think they'd jump at the chance.

Capitol Police? I know a couple of USCP officers, who say that the general concensus is that Clinton can't exit the office soon enough.

US Marshalls? They'd likely be the ones sent in by the courts to do the arrest...

I know two volunteers who would love to serve on that mission...

"Hey! He's resisting arrest!"

(insert your own scenario here...)

I truly think all the talk about Clinton making a power grab at the last minute is completely paranoid.

To make it work, he needs a power base that can seize power, and keep it.

Clinton doesn't have it.

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Red Bull,

Actually, if there is no legally recognized President or Vice President (as in they attempt to seize power), the legal Presidency reverts to the next in line of secession, who is Denny Hastert, Republican Speaker of the House.

I think there is absolutely ZERO chance of the military activly supporting a coup by the Clinton-Gore faction.


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With respect, whatever happens, I'm not making a single phone call to a politician regarding the matter. This is not a democracy, and I don't want my opinion affecting their opinion. If the survival of this republic comes down to which side makes the most phone calls, it's already gone. I'd rather let my representatives look at the situation and decide for themselves what they'll do. That way, I at least know which side they're on. This is NOT a democracy.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snakebite:
With respect, whatever happens, I'm not making a single phone call to a politician regarding the matter. This is not a democracy, and I don't want my opinion affecting their opinion. If the survival of this republic comes down to which side makes the most phone calls, it's already gone. I'd rather let my representatives look at the situation and decide for themselves what they'll do. That way, I at least know which side they're on. This is NOT a democracy.[/quote]

Snakebite,

You're correct, the United States is NOT a Democracy, nor was it ever intended to be a democracy.

The United States was established as a Representative Republic, and it still is.


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