A Gore Coup d'Etat? SHTF scenario sooner than you think.

Mr. Pub

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From todays Wall Street Journal editorial section.
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A Gore Coup d'Etat?

The cliff-hanging Florida results won't be final until the absentee-ballot deadline of November 17, but yesterday Gore campaign head William Daley told a news conference that no amount of recounting would do. Only one outcome would be acceptable: "If the will of the people is to prevail, Al Gore should be awarded a victory in Florida and be our next President." And if the election results don't do that, the Gore campaign will try to find a judge to do it instead. In your ordinary banana republic, this would be recognized as a Gore coup d'etat.

When the day began yesterday, we set to work writing an editorial for these columns that in fact was going to express some sympathy for what appears to have happened to some confused voters in Palm Beach County, and suggesting that we really do need a better-run electoral process not only in Florida but across the land. This is still a valid point, but was overwhelmed when Bill Daley and other Gore campaign officials announced that the Democrats intended to go to the mattress to cling to political power.

Mr. Daley said the Vice President wasn't going to settle for the recount result, suggesting of course they knew it would go against them and so some pretext needed to be found fast to prevent the election from ending. "Let the legal system run its course," Mr. Daley said. "We will be working with voters from Florida in support of legal actions to demand some redress." He added, "We believe with so much at stake, steps should be taken to make sure that the people's choice becomes our President."

Shortly after this, guess what happened? The Democratic Palm Beach plaintiffs seeking "redress" suddenly withdrew their suit from federal court. Why? Because they wanted to shop around for a favorable judge. They had happened to draw federal district Judge Kenneth Ryskamp, whose nomination to the appeals court years back had been defeated in the Senate by Joe Biden. The Palm Beach plaintiffs then announced they would file in state court.

Obviously they are judge-shopping, reducing this noble enterprise on behalf of the people's choice to the level of backwater justice. Not only Judge Ryskamp, but any reasonably neutral judge would likely dismiss the case outright.

At no point has the Gore campaign suggested that voter fraud has cost them votes. Were that the case, we would be in wholehearted support of their complaint. Voter fraud is one of this country's most corrosive, unaddressed problems. Instead, Warren Christopher, a former Secretary of State, yesterday cited "serious and substantial irregularities." Their argument is that the irregularities deprived citizens of Constitutional rights, so undo the whole election.

Yes, voting irregularities do significant damage to elections in America. No serious person involved in politics would doubt that incompetent, flawed or antique voting procedures all over this country disenfranchise some voters in every national election -- for the House, the Senate and the Presidency.

None of these concerns, however, is sufficient cause for allowing competing squads of political lawyers to force the people of this country into an unprecedented political crisis, which is precisely what the Gore campaign has shown itself willing to do.

By turning over the Presidential election to the lawyers, the Democrats guarantee that the Republicans would respond in kind, seeking similar irregularities, as are commonly found in South Florida, or anywhere else people voted in the U.S. last Tuesday. The constant harping on the poor souls confused by the Palm Beach butterfly ballot makes for good TV visuals and stirring speeches about the "denial of justice." But no one should pretend this is going to fly through the courts without a substantial counteroffensive by the GOP's own lawyers.

And in any event, there is the prospect of recounts elsewhere. In Wisconsin and Iowa, where Mr. Gore's margin of victory was several thousand votes, automatic triggers may set off recounts. Moreover, the national vote isn't over. Votes are still being completed in many states, with a million absentee votes from California alone. It is not beyond imagining that when this process is done, the current result will be different, or even reversed.

Poor Florida. It is being put under a national microscope to determine the credibility of its voting system. No surprise, what we're seeing is that the results aren't always particularly edifying. There is no basis in law, however, to believe that demanding that a vote be restaged because of "irregularities" in Florida's election system, or any other state's for that matter, is going to survive in court. Were that true, there'd have been hundreds of restaged votes in this country.

Mr. Gore, Mr. Daley and all the Democratic lawyers know this. Their case about irregularities and confusion is merely a pretext for finding some friendly jurist who will overrule the voters in an excruciatingly close contest. This is a destructive course of action for the Republic and the Constitution. Also, by the way, for a Democratic Party already tainted by eight years of its own irregularities, that is to say, by a habit of trashing the rule of law in the pursuit of political advantage.


[This message has been edited by Mr. Pub (edited November 10, 2000).]
 
There it is again! The "Will" of the people!

The Democrats are subverting the Constitution for their own political gain!

The will of the people does NOT make the Constitutional provisions for the selection of the President invalid!



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They want a Coup d'Etat? I got they're Coup d'Etat right here!

What are we pissing and moaning about?
Republicans have all the Privatly owned guns, and most of the military.

Lets give them they're Coup d'Etat by God!
 
Hey, Maybe I'll get to use all of my Y2K stockpile afterall!!

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SOME PEOPLE ARE ALIVE ONLY BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL TO KILL THEM
 
First they want to usurp the constitution/bill of rights and change the meaning of the 2nd amendment.

Now they want to usurp the constitution and say that it is the "will of the people" (whatever that means) that elects a President and not the Electoral College as the constitution says.

I guess they think that if their lawyers somehow pull a fast one and steal this election for Gore that everyone is just going to sit back and say "I guess your lawyers are just too smart for us - go ahead and have the Presidency Al."
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by George Hill:
They want a Coup d'Etat? I got they're Coup d'Etat right here!
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Yo! George! I didn't realize youse was from Sout' Philly. :D

Anyway - IMNSHO, the Liberal/Socialists are so convinced that they are the only ones with the right answers that they will stop at nothing to stay in power. They asee it as their right and destiny. I am afraid it is going to have to come to a showdown at sometime. If they want it then

Lets get it on!!!
 
I don't want to fly off the handle and sound too radical here, but I was just thinking:

Isn't this (unconstituational coup d'etat) the kind of thing that the founding fathers had in mind when they created the militia and the Right to Keep and Bear Arms?

I mean....if the Gore campaign forces their way into the White House....who is going to go physically remove him and his staff? It ain't gonna be the military. It ain't gonna be the national guard. Both of those are controlled by the gov't and could not organize the power (due to checks and balances) to take any action. In fact, they would probably begrudgingly side with Gore.
Like I said, I am not proposing anything, but just discussing on how this could go if this were a third world country and people get to the point of forcing their way into the Presidency. (I am picturing the half million people that kicked Milosovich out ot office forcibly). Wasn't the militia specifically designed to protect the Constitution from this type of abuse of power? Would someone forcing their way into the White House not be a perfect example of when a militia would come into action and forcibly remove said perpetraitors? (sic)
Think about it this way...what would have happened 200 years ago if someone tried to Coup D'etat their way into the White House by usurping the constitutional electoral process?


Once again, I am convinced that no such actions on Gore's account will take place, I think this will be setteled peacably, and I do not condone or support the use of force. But, in the terms of an historical discussion, it seems that this type of thing (protecting the Constitution and the US from internal power mongers) is exactly what the forefathers had in mind with the militia and the RKBA.





[This message has been edited by Red Bull (edited November 10, 2000).]
 
Some people here may cry, but the country just may get to see the constitution, bill of rights, and declaration of independence put into action.

I hope america (or is it amerika), wakes up before Gore and his mobsters muscle their way into office.

By all accounts on the internet, foreign countries now think we are a bunch of clowns.
 
Will of the people? Sounds like I've heard that before...

People's Communist Party
People's Liberation Army
People's Republic of America?

This nonsense cannot be allowed to stand. People really are so stupid that they don't understand what is at stake here. THE CONSTITUTION IS AT STAKE! And with it, the very rights that we hold dear as American citizens. I hope Gore does the right thing and concedes defeat after Florida's vote is certified. Otherwise...
 
Hmmmm.

If Gore somehow slimes his way into office, would any of you feel compelled to obey any laws signed by him or any executive orders either? I have to think that if he does manage to "win" this election, it's gonna get uglier than Janet Reno first thing in the morning.

(Note: I have no personal experience with what Janet Reno looks like in the morning. I think some things are too horrible to contemplate).

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Is your desire to help others great enough to cause you to actually help them, or is it only great enough to compel you to force others to do so?
 
if Gore some how steals the election, then I believe it wuld be the duty of every Republican to refuse to any bussiness with the Democrats. Our congressmen and senators should flatly refuse to do any businees with him and force this country to a standstill untill he is removed.

i think the protest would be far worse than those in the sixties. Hopefully this force him from office peacefully, I doubt it but it might. If it doesn't force him out then someone needs to step and put him out.

I still believe George Bush will be awarded the victory that he has obviously already earned. If the demogcrats use trickery to steal it, Bush should claim power and call on his supporters to help him claim power. At that point, we would each have to choose to follow him or be sheep to al gore. I hope it doesn't come to this, but if it does, we will be rid of liberals once and for all.
kaos
 
Here is some extra helpful info..sorry if the formatting sucks but I'm beat to shinola after work. I think my boss is trying to kill me after I wrecked one of their cars. :(


United Republican Fund of Illinois Chicago

November 9, 2000

From: Joseph A. Morris, President

To: URF Leaders and Friends

Herewith is some practical advice on action that every citizen can take in the event
that the Florida recount confirms the election of George Bush, but Al Gore fails to
concede.

We all know what is going on in Florida, and that the election hinges on the
outcome. I am writing you today to prepare us all for what we will have to do if
what I think is going to happen actually does. The recount, which will be finished by
5 p.m. Thursday, will likely show Bush to be the winner once again, with only a few
thousand overseas ballots to be counted. Those ballots will be overwhelmingly for
Bush, a minimum of 60% and probably closer to 75%. If the count goes our way
tomorrow, we have won this election.

This is when something critical happens. Either Gore bows out gracefully or he
doesn't, and I can almost guarantee he won't. These are people wedded to power
who will only go down kicking and screaming. They will use every legal maneuver in
the book to steal the election. (In 1960, when Richard Nixon had every right and
reason to challenge the election results he didn't for the sake of the country.
Expect no such noble behavior this time.)

What will they try? One bet is to find a friendly judge to throw out the Florida
results on a flimsy premise. They are already floating this as a trial balloon in the
form of the allegedly "confusing" ballots in Palm Beach County. I have seen the
ballots - they are not confusing in the least. Indeed, they are identical in form to
the punch-card ballots used in Chicago and Cook County, Illinois, in this very
election. What is more, it is just as likely that Palm Beach County voters who
wanted to vote for Bush inadvertently voted for Nader. All parties approved the form
of ballot before the election. The form-of-ballot issue is a mere pretext for an effort
a judicial invalidation of the Florida election.

While I hope this scenario doesn't come to pass, I fear that it will, and it will only
have disastrous results for the country. The election fight could drag on for months
and actually be decided by a court! If this comes to pass the vision of our Founders
and the blood of patriots will have been betrayed.

Personally, I am not going to stand for this, and I hope you won't either.

The good news is that we are not without voice.

HERE IS WHAT MUST BE DONE: if the vote count affirms Bush's election, we allow a
short grace period to see the reaction of the Gore camp. If they have not graciously
conceded after a few hours, we must bombard the news media and our public
officials AT EVERY LEVEL with phone calls of outrage that demand Gore's
concession. I mean literally millions of phone calls. We must jam their phone banks
with calls.There are millions of us so it shouldn't be too difficult. (While you're at it,
send e-mails to your local newspapers as well.)

If it becomes widely reported - and it will - that there is a groundswell demanding
that Gore back down and not embarrass the country, it will be very difficult for Gore
to withstand the pressure. He will have to relent.

Here are some places to start:

The White House: telephone (202) 456-4114 FAX 202)456-2461 e-mail
president@whitehouse.gov

The Vice President's Office: telephone 202) 274-5000 FAX 202)
456-2883 e-mail vice.president@whitehouse.gov Vice President's Senate Office:
telephone: (202) 224-2424

Senator Tom Daschle (Senate Democratic Leader): (202) 224-2321 Also: (202)
224-5556

Representative Dick Gephardt (House Democratic Leader): (202) 225-2671 Also:
(202) 225--0100

Also, be sure to call your congressmen and both your senators. All these numbers
are easily located on voter.com. You can also contact them through the U.S.
Capitol Switchboard:

U.S. Capitol Switchboard (all Senators and Representatives): (202) 224-3121

Another office to call is that of Chicago's Mayor Richard M. Daley (the brother of
Gore's campaign manager, Bill Daley): Telephone: (312) 744-3300 FAX: (312)
744-2324

If you've never made a call like this, there's no reason to be shy. They get opinion
calls all the time and are set up to take them. In fact they like calls. It helps them
tell which way the wind is blowing.

Some media contacts:

Boston Globe (617) 929-2000 Matthew V. Storin, Editor (617) 929-3049 e-mail:
storin@globe.com

Boston Herald Andrew Costello, Editor (617) 619-6400 e-mail:
acostello@bostonherald.com

Chicago Sun-Times: (312) 321-3000 Michael Cooke, Editor in Chief e-mail:
mcooke@suntimes.com

Chicago Tribune (800) 874-2863 Howard A. Tyner, Editor e-mail: ChiEd@aol.com
Bruce Dold, Editorial Page Editor e-mail: bdold@tribune.com

Los Angeles Times (213) 237-7935 (opinion department) (213) 237-4511 and Fax:
(213) 237-7679 (letters to the editor) (202) 293-4650 (Washington bureau) e-mail:
www.latimes.com (follow prompts to e-mail windows)

New York Post (212) 930-8000 John Mancini, News e-mail: jmancini@nypost.com

New York Times (212) 556-1234 Joseph Lelyveld, Executive Editor Letters to the
Editor fax: (212) 556-3622 e-mail: letters@nytimes.com.

Philadelphia Inquirer (215) 854-4500 Letters to the editor:
Inquirer.Letters@phillynews.com

USA Today (703) 276-3400 Karen Jurgenson, Editor e-mail: www.usatoday.com and
follow feedback prompts

Washington Post (202) 334-6000 Fred Hiatt, Editorial Page Editor e-mail:
hiattf@washpost.com

Time e-mail: letters@time.com

ABC e-mail: abc.go.com/abc/help/contact.html

CNN (404) 827-1500

CBS (212) 975-4321

MSNBC e-mail: World@MSNBC.com

NBC NBC-Nightly News: e-mail: Nightly@NBC.com NBC Today Show: e-mail:
Today@NBC.com

I'm hoping none of this will be necessary, but I fear otherwise. As Edmund Burke
said, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

This e-mail is just to prepare you for the battle that we must engage.

PLEASE FORWARD THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE TO EVERYONE YOU CAN THINK OF. IF WE
HARNESS THE POWER OF THE INTERNET, BY TOMORROW MILLIONS OF US WILL BE
READY!
 
This is a good post. I am encouraged by the comments of those who are not willing to gracefully stand by and let our Constitution be subverted. We must fight! I am sick of seeing our country held hostage to the militant left. If Gore steals this election, we MUST not recognize the legitimacy of his presidency.
 
Problem is - Gore will never force his way in without a recount in his favor. They will recount in every possible way until he is proclaimed the winner. Then he will claim legitimacy. Any action against him will have the press and half the nation against us as well as those conservatives who buy into it. Our protests will go unnoticed and even ridiculed.

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Thane (NRA GOA JPFO SAF CAN TRT)
Maryland Tyranny Response Team
www,trt-md.org


"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression.
In both instances there is a twilight when everything remains
seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all
must be most aware of change in the air - however slight -
lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
 
Gentlemen, has it occured to you that a scenario you are describing may be EXACTLY what they want?. :)
Can you spell martial Law, boys and girls?.
Can you spell Mr. Clinton as retaining control via M L , over his fiefdom?:mad
I have always suspicioned him as never vacating 1600................your thoughts??
 
A plausible scenario, Tshoes. If true, what they think they want may blow up (oops, I mean backfire) in their faces. I have to admit, I'm becoming somewhat angry with the current horse manure going on in both political camps. This may be the time which Jefferson said the second amendment would be needed. I still am under oath to protect it.




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Hoka-hey
 
One way we are becoming a Banana Republic is this politicalization of the judicial. We are fighting over SC judges because they will rule outside the Constitution. Also, it appears that the judge who stopped certification of PB county's results was a contributor of Gore and his wife works for the Gore campaign--go figure.

madison
 
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