A CONVERSATION WITH SEBASTOPOL, CA POLICE OFFICER ROBERT SMITH

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The Beez,

Thanx. I think :-)

Not to worry. I am well aware that we all draw from the same gene pool.

Contrary to popular belief, cops are human, too.

Leroy
 
I personally think that a mass confiscation would "rally the troops". "They" are smarter than that. Take out the dealers (several examples in Mesa, Arizona) license the owners and make transfer upon death illegal.

This may not be the way, but I strongly feel that this is a war of attrition, and our memories are so short that there is little danger of a general uprising.

Allow me to propose a theory: Let's suppose that they want to create a division between the LEA, LEO's, and Joe Public Gun Owner. (Look at the toys that the LEO's get to place with and Joe P. is denied, here's a start.) Then, knowing that this division will take place, and knowing that there will be isolated armed conflicts as a result, there are prepared press statements, and bills for new "laws" to be passed in order to "Protect the public" from the "gun freak" that just had a shoot-out with the LEO's of (insert town, state, or federal agency here).

I don't know... Maybe, just maybe, the giant will awaken before it's too late and the federal Lilliputians will run away screaming...

I can't help recall a passage of scripture that defines the government when the people are not asleep at the wheel:

"They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; that made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?" (Isaiah 14:16-17)

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John/az
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Leroy,
My question is primarily related to the confiscation of guns. Would you or how many do you know who would go knock on doors and confiscate guns and use deadly force if necessary? That is a straightforward question, and seems to be a distinct probability in CA. I'm not asking if you are about to baricade yourself and begin a war.
I will address your point regarding me or other civilians. As for me, I am a dedicated Christian. The Bible clearly tells me to obey authorities. The exception would be if the authorities would tell me to do something contrary to what God has said. Owning a gun is not something that God has said I should/must do. Accordingly, if guns are outlawed I would obey because I obey God as I can understand. In fact I wouldn't want to obey and would in my "flesh" be willing to die for RKBA. However, I don't have that right if the Supreme Court ruled that confiscation was Constitutional. I would not obey until that time. Will I join a militia and resist? No.
Now, will you answer my questions? This isn't meant to be personal, but LEOs tend to avoid a straight answer at times. If you don't know what you would do that's OK. I understand. Regards, Jerry

[This message has been edited by JerryM (edited November 05, 2000).]
 
John/az,

You're too late. It's already happened.

That's what I explain in "Drawing the Line" http://www.2ampd.net/Articles/pyle/draw_the_line.htm, that "they" are not interested in taking mine and yours. They are gradually increasing the restrictions and the complications so as to make it too difficult or impractical for your children and their children to possess a firearm.

In CA, only a very small percentage of semi-auto rifle owners registered under the "assault weapon" laws. No one came to get them. You may have heard of the recent notice to rifle owners who had been told their rifles were legal, and then told they had to get rid of them. Very few people complied, but no one came to get them.

They won't come for us. These laws are designed to deny future generations.

Division? A theory? Have you heard of Chief Joseph McNamara, San Jose PD?

When Prosition 15 was attempted in CA in 198?, it was soundly defeated with the help of the traditional friend of gun owners, the police. I remember being proud of a full page ad opposing the proposition that would ban all handguns in CA. The ad consisted of an outline of the state created by the name of each and every police and sheriff's association in the state that opposed the ban.

Joe McNamara became the HCI posterboy. Lucky me. He recognized the achilles heel of the pro-gun movement to be law enforcement support. and set out to drive a wedge. He and HCI initiated the "cop-killer" bullet and similar issues to rally police support for that piece-meal law making that we have become familiar with.

McNamara did very well. He determined the weakness, marked the spot, and now gun owners are taking all the shots, continuing to drive that wedge between gun owners and cops!

Not good,

Leroy
 
Leroy: No I really hadn't been thinking of "dope" when I mentioned victimless crime, but since you brought it up.. Yes! I think that would be an excellent place to start.

And, since you brought it up, I have to say it is an excellent example of the governments will enforced on the people (kept in motion and seemingly popular demand with the generation of tons of misinformation and propaganda... the two things that prohibtion pt I didn't have going for it)

Damn, and since you brought it up, it's also a pretty good example of a law aimed primarily at revenue generating (and power...even better that money)!
 
Mr. Pyle, you're correct about Joe McNamarra, and his hatred of our Constitution, and how he helped HCI and their communistnazi buddies turn the cops against civilian gunowners with his lies and distortions and disinformation.

You are only partially correct, however, about the "police" coming out against Prop. 15, in 1982. Many C.O.Ps. and Sheriffs supported the confiscation of handguns in Kalif., and made no bones about it. I was very involved in that fight, and I know who the LEOs were, who wanted a communistnazi law passed... and you can bet your bottom dollar that they would have been more than happy to turn their cops loose on the civilians, if Prop. 15 had passed.

I also know for a fact, given that I was there, that the major LEO agencies in Kalif., are having law professors contracted to their depts., teach Academy cadets that the "civilians have absolutely no Right to own firearms of any kind. Only the police and military have a Right to have guns." This Marxist B.S. Lie has been being vomited by these communistnazi professors in the Academies FOR YEARS! These cops are almost totally brainwashed with the Big Lie.

As to whether or not, if the order is given for confiscation, cops in general will go out and confiscate guns from the civilians, and kill any man, woman or child, who "resists" (you know, Leroy, some gun nut who makes a furtive move toward his/her waistband??), I guarantee you there are plenty of cops, Federal, State, and Local, who'll be more than happy to paticipate. I could personally introduce you to several.

You said that there will never be any confiscation ordered. I disagree strongly with you. Examples will have to be made! Fear of Big Brother & Big Nanny will have to be instilled! Fear works wonders, doesn't it?

Nevertheless, if you are correct, the brainwashing by the communistnazi media, academics, politicians, many, many mainstream ministers, rabbis, and preists, and ordinary ignorant bliss ninnies, will insure that in a few years, the "children" will be more than happy to turn in their/our guns and live blissfully as slaves, forever.

There is one thing that has never changed in the history of the world, and that is Human Nature, and Human Nature dictates that there will always be those who would weild unmitigated power, over us, the serfs and slaves, by any and all means necessary. The Predators will do whatever necessary, to totally control the Prey.

J.B.
 
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