A ban bush could reverse...but WON'T

If Cheney is a well known supporter of 2A rights why isnt he pushing for getting rid of the GCA of 68?

I bet when he gives talks to NRA member groups about 2nd Amendment rights the liscensed law abiding CCW NRA folks have to leave thier legal firearms elswhere? So I guess he is saying that you should have your 2nd Amendment rights just not around me.
 
mxwelch,

How would Fulton Armory, in the US, know or care about the quality of NEW Polytech rifles that they can neither own or work on. They aren't available in the US.


The Polytechs of old had problems. But Antipitas said NEW rifles, not the ones imported over a decade ago.
 
Thanks Handy. About 3 months ago, I got some flyers from a Canadian source that touted the NEW rifles as being quite different than the older ones... It even listed many of the same faults that Foulton Armory lists, as being corrected.

Wish I had saved them, I could point to a website....
 
IMO, Bush is only a conservative if you judge him against the spectrum of people who graduated from Yale. He is more conservative than Kerry. He is not a true conservative in terms of, say, the Wall Street Journal idea of conservatism. He has not acted in favor of small government and I don't think he has done enough to reign in government's influence. About the best thing he has done, IMO, was to push through tax cuts.

As for Norinco, according to my research there is a ban by Bush on their products because of alleged activity with Iran.
 
Hey scope, be aware that the overall increases in consumer goods far exceeds the benefits of any tax cut for the average man. Now for the large corporations and ultra rich they mean a hell of a lot. So th bottom line is gwb and company has done NOTHING good for this country.
 
I posted this recently on another forum to demonstrate to another poster, who was whining about how "bad" Bush was for not "restoring" our gun rights. It seems to me that a lot of people are suffering from faulty memories. The Clinton crew WERE after your guns and it was a daily battle to not lose ground to their incessant schemes. I'm not saying Bush couldn't do better, but bashing him, as if Gore or Kerry would not have simply continued in the Clinton's vein, is a true non-starter. Anyway, here is a trip down memory lane:

There was no gun-grabbing scheme or proposal that wasn’t considered or attempted by the Clinton’s and their cronies. You might remember some of the following during the Clinton administration:

Lautenberg Act – An ex-post facto law that used past convictions (or even charges, since dismissed or dropped), regardless of how far back, to make thousands of citizens prohibited possessors. Ironically, take a look at the list of Clinton cronies that Clinton pardoned in his final hours in office.

Juvenile Justice Bill – remember “midnight basketball”?

Brady Bill (circa 1994) – The birth of waiting periods and ultimate evolution of the instant check with the potential for becoming a firearm registry.

Proposed National waiting period for all firearm purchases

Mandatory Trigger Locks

Gun “Buy-Back” schemes funded with Federal tax dollars

Banning firearm ownership in public housing projects

Reduction in the number of FFL dealers via harassment and increased fees

Coercion of firearm manufacturers using liability lawsuits (Smith and Wesson)

Gun-Show “Loophole” legislation “Gun-Shows are Tupperware parties for criminals”

Million Mom March – Spawned by a close associate (Donna Dees-Thomases) of none other than Hillary Rodham Clinton. Donna just happened to be more than just a casual acquaintance of none other than Dan Rather.

Demonizing “Sniper Rifles”

Shutting down gun ranges for environmental reasons (lead)

Resisting “Shall-Issue” with regard to Concealed Carry and concealed carry in general

Registration schemes

One-Gun-a-Month schemes

.50 caliber bans

Ordered a study of "armor piercing bullets" designed to redefine that term in a way that would outlaw all ammunition

Proposed “taggants” be placed in all gun powder

Center for Disease Control (CDC) fraudulent anti-gun studies funded by tax dollars

Mandatory child-safety locks on all guns sold

Extension of an existing ban on juvenile possession of handguns to include semiautomatic assault rifles; also, a ban on importation of all ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, an extension of current law banning imports of those made since 1994

Background checks on buyers for all gun-show sales

A lifetime ban on gun ownership for people who commit violent crimes as juveniles

A three-day waiting period for all handgun purchases, with an additional two days if law officers need them to complete their investigation

Mandatory prison sentences of three to 10 years and $10,000 fines for adults, including parents, who allow children access to guns.

Banning firearms within certain distances of schools (ultimately struck down by the courts)

And who could forget how AGS, HCI, VPC, the Million Mom March, and Bill Clinton’s continuing claim that guns kill 12 "children" per day.

Remember Clinton’s “100,000 new cops on the street” garbage? Well, it never was anything more than smoke and mirrors in reality. Clinton had no use for police officers, other than using them for his political ambitions and ends, especially when it came to gun control.

There was also his coercion of police groups:

Link Here

Other police groups such as the National Sheriffs Association and the Fraternal Order of Police which, previous to the Clinton era, tended to be neutral or leaning toward a pro-Second Amendment stance, were influenced into taking pro-gun control stands by the river of political money flowing from the Clinton Administration and its allies.

In one year during the Clinton Administration, the Police Executive Research Forum, the International Association of Chiefs of Police, the National Sheriffs Association and the Police Foundation collectively hauled in $4.4 million in Justice Department grants. Before then the Department of Justice dollars flowed just as freely. The International Association of Chiefs of Police raked in over $630,000. National Sheriffs Association cheerfully pocketed $516,943. The Police Executive Research Forum netted $447,343. The Police Foundation accepted a more modest $221,634.

Add up the totals ($1.8 million before, $4.4 million after) and you get a small peek at the economic and political clout the Clinton White House wielded in shaping public policy and buying national police groups into line. Every federal dollar dumped into law enforcement bank accounts is quite legal. Each has a perfectly "rational" explanation. It is merely coincidence that the police groups that scurried to do Clinton' bidding happen to be the same ones that were awarded the lucrative federal grants.

With “Bubba Trash”, the contempt for not just gunowners, but citizens in general never held much of a veneer:

President William J. Clinton:
"Assault weapons in the hands of civilians exist for no reason but to inspire fear and wreak deadly havoc on our streets"
Weekly Radio Address to the Nation, Saturday, November 15, 1997; As quoted in The Washington
Post, Nov. 16, 1997 on Page A12.

President William J. Clinton:
"It's not going to kill anybody to wait a couple of days to get a handgun while we do a background check on somebody that wants to buy a gun."
Army Times, September 22, 1997

President William J. Clinton:
"The fights I fought... cost a lot --the fight for the assault-weapons ban cost 20 members their seats in Congress. The NRA is the reason the Republicans control the House."
Cleveland Plain-Dealer, January 14, 1995

President William J. Clinton:
"When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans ...And so a lot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it. That's what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the public housing projects, about how we're going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make people safer in their communities."
MTV's "Enough is Enough", March 22, 1994

President William J. Clinton:
"You know the one thing that's wrong with this country? Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say."
May 29, 1993

President William J. Clinton:
"The Constitution is a radical document... it is the job of the government to rein in people's rights."
on MTV - 1992

President William J. Clinton:
"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans to legitimately own handguns and rifles...that we are unable to think about reality."
USA Today, March 11, 1993

President William J. Clinton:
"It has come to my attention that certain answers my staff and I entered on your candidate questionnaire have been misinterpreted to suggest that I favor stricter gun controls than the status quo or that I differ with the NRA position on these issues. Neither is the case. I am against any legislation or regulation on gun control that goes beyond the current law, and am in support of the NRA position on gun control."
October 11, 1982 letter to NRA regarding governor's race in Arkansas

President William J. Clinton:
"Well, the Supreme Court says there's a constitutional right to travel," Clinton said. "But we license car owners, and we register cars, and we have speed limits, and we have child safety restraint laws, and we have seat belt laws ... When's the last time you heard somebody stand up and give a speech about the eminent evils of car control?"

Hillary Clinton at the Million Mom March:
“Mothers have a very simple Mother's Day message. We don't want flowers or jewelry. We don't want a nice card or a fancy meal as much as we want our Congress to do the right thing to protect our children."

There has been some speculation over just how "grassroots" the Million Mom March really was. In introducing the organizer of the MMM, CNN reported "the march is the brainchild of a New Jersey mother, Donna Dees-Thomases, who conceived of the idea as she watched footage of a shooting at an area day camp."

What none of the television media outlets told you and few of the newspapers asked, is who was Donna Dees-Thomases?. Ms. Dees-Thomases had served as the publicist for the CBS News anchor Dan Rather, and is also sister-in-law of Susan Thomases who was a close friend and the chief political adviser to Hillary Clinton.The media knew of this information but failed to inform its viewers or readers. In the end, it was that darn “alternative media via the internet” that exposed the MMM as yet another Clintonian brainchild, concocted with help of none other than the leftist mainstream media.

Ultimately, the MMM folded up after its finances as a non-profit, tax-exempt organization could not bear scrutiny and HCI took them over.
 
original by jager1: There was no gun-grabbing scheme or proposal that wasn’t considered or attempted by the Clinton’s and their cronies. You might remember some of the following during the Clinton administration:

SO WHAT! We survived that and it is six year old history. Why do you keep referring back to Clinton? Got nothing to do with gwbs' stupidity.
 
Jager1 thanks for the post. I think I will put it on my favorites list. Trouble is that your dealing with some DU droogies here so history and logic don't count.
 
SO WHAT! We survived that and it is six year old history. Why do you keep referring back to Clinton? Got nothing to do with gwbs' stupidity.

This is the mess GWB inherited, he has fixed some of it. We must not forget history or we are destined to repeat it. I am sure a lot of lefties hope the voters on this site don't remember the Clinton years come 2008.:)
 
seems like there are a whole lot more, like 66%, that would like to forget the past 5 years. :D
Like it or not, Clinton left this country in a hell of a lot better shape than gwb has now got us into.:p National debt out the roof, consumer goods prices at an altime high and rising, our military people getting killed daily, civil liberties being ground beneith the heal of a tyranical government, and every thing looking worse for the immediate future.:eek:
I voted for him once, shame on me for being so stupid and gullible.
 
Clinton left the country weak, demoralized and unprepared to protect itself.

I'm curious, why do you capitalize Clinton and not gwb?

John
 
seems like there are a whole lot more, like 66%, that would like to forget the past 5 years.
Like it or not, Clinton left this country in a hell of a lot better shape than gwb has now got us into. National debt out the roof, consumer goods prices at an altime high and rising, our military people getting killed daily, civil liberties being ground beneith the heal of a tyranical government, and every thing looking worse for the immediate future.
I voted for him once, shame on me for being so stupid and gullible.


I don't know where you are from or what you do, but I have more civil liberties, more money, and the military is a much better place to be than it was during the Clinton era. I can carry ccw with 15 round mags in more states than ever in the past 20 years, I just paid off a $30,000 5 year car loan in 3 years (a first for me), I have more savings than I've ever had in my life, I have more and better equipment to do my job with, it's not perfect but it's alot better than it's been since Reagon was in office.
 
There are other so call allies such as Israel who also sell weapons to our enemies as well as spy on our country and sell that info to the highest bidder also, and their weapons are not banned

Yeah, not to mention have their fighter planes knowingly shoot at US ships in the Mediteranean and kill Americans, with no repercussions. :barf:
 
Amazing, first we're told that we need to "forget those things that happen six years ago", then the same style posts that we should never forget the Israelis attack on a vessel nearly thirty years ago. You guys need to confer prior to posting.

Until such time as the MSM, and the vested political interests are willing to remain neutral on the GCA of 1968, it's not going anywhere.
 
origina by johnbt:why do you capitalize Clinton and not gwb?

Elimentary my friend, elimentary! GWB ant got nothing to capitalize. Its difficult to capitalize the negative and thats all he has gave this country, in the past 5+ years.

original by donr101xxx:I don't know where you are from or what you do, but I have more civil liberties, more money, and the military is a much better place to be than it was during the Clinton era. I can carry ccw with 15 round mags in more states than ever in the past 20 years, I just paid off a $30,000 5 year car loan in 3 years (a first for me), I have more savings than I've ever had in my life, I have more and better equipment to do my job with, it's not perfect but it's alot better than it's been since Reagon was in office.

And you have done this in the past 5 years????? Get real man. What action of the gwb administration allowed you this personal gain? Dam sure was not investing in the stock market.
Sounds like you might be in the military. Remember that when Regan was in office the cold war was going on, big need for a large military budget, while clinton was in office the world was pretty much at peace and there was no need for a big military budget.
Was your pay cut during the Clinton years--NO! He did cut the military budget, made a lot of folks mad as hell. I had a cousin who was about 45 years old who had over 25 years in the military and had to retire, in 1996. Lord it pissed him off to no end. Now he has an Outdoors equipment store and a cattle ranch in Arkansas--happy as a pig in slop.
Keep in mind my friend, there are a lot of us older military folks who are now dealing with the VA whose budget has been cut by the gwb administration at a time when our numbers are growing because of HIS war.
 
Hey scope, be aware that the overall increases in consumer goods far exceeds the benefits of any tax cut for the average man. Now for the large corporations and ultra rich they mean a hell of a lot.

The tax cuts "for the rich" help drive the economy because those with money are more likely to invest it instead of trying to hide it in tax shelters. And since more Americans have investments tied up in market driven savings plans the increased activity helps more people than you claim. The capital gains tax cuts pushed through by Bush and company are quite helpful to America as a whole.
 
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