A Bad Case of Sticker Shock

"Your info appears to be 10-12 years old..."

Yes.

Know why?

Because UPS put their "have to ship handguns next day air into place AT THAT TIME. It remains IN EFFECT TODAY.

Why was the policy put into place?

In large part, UPS enacted the handguns go by next day air, which REMAINS IN EFFECT TODAY, because of EMPLOYEES STEALING HANDGUNS while on the UPS clock.


I have absolutely NO problem with UPS making a profit.

But let's be 100% honest as to WHY UPS enacted this policy in the first place -- they enacted it BECAUSE THEIR EMPLOYEES WERE STEALING GUNS FROM THE PACKAGE FLOW.

In other words, UPS' inability to police and control its own work force has led to costs being passed directly on to the firearms owner.

I'm not "maligning" UPS -- I'm point out simple truths and realities, truths and realities which UPS itself acknowledged.

I'm not sure what you find to be so problematic about that.

You worked for UPS for 20 years. Good for you. You obviously found a lot of reasons to stay there. Good for you. I've found a lot of reasons to stay with my company for over 10 years now. Good for me.

But does that mean that either of us have the duty to bury our heads in the proverbial sand and ignore simple truths about our employers, truths that may not be to our liking, but which are, no matter how much we don't want them to be, truths?
 
Whew...you must have really been burned at one time or another. That's a long time grudge you're carrying.

I give up Mike. We're not getting anywhere with this. Your information is out of date and that's a fact. Bad mouth if you wish...it's your option.

I remain confident in the company's integrity, honesty, and ability to deliver packages of any legal sort, anywhere in the world, and that' s my final word on the subject.

Regards, Rodfac
 
I'm shipped and recieved firearms through USPS

I lived in Laredo and the only gunsmith I trusted that had prices I liked was in Odessa. I shipped a couple of rifles back and forth through the post office with no problems.
 
Actually, Rod, I've never shipped a handgun via UPS.

I've had nothing but good experiences with them in the things that I have shipped.

But it has always frosted me that they're unable to control their employees, so we end up paying more. I'd be ****** as all hell if a bank were to tell me that they were charging me a new fee because their employees were stealing from the till.

And no, my information is NOT out of date. It's relevant to this very day, because UPS is still requiring next day air shipment of handguns. That's a simple fact.

If UPS were totally confident that its employees were no threat threat to pilfer items such as handguns, they would have gone back to the old shipping methods.

And, just so we're clear on the matter, UPS employees are still being arrested for stealing from the company.

From the Chicago Tribune archives:

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/jan/04/news/chi-pavek_04jan04

UPS employee sentenced to 7 years in prison for stealing over $800,000 in an embezzelment scheme between 2000 and 2006.

From Riverside, California, police, October of last year:

http://www.riversideca.gov/rpd/press/2008releases/oct08a08.pdf

A 20-year UPS employee was arrested for diverting a wide variety of goods.

You think he would have drawn the line at firearms had they been more available in the shipping stream?

Yes, those are just two examples of what truly is a very small minority of UPS employees - ones who break the law by using their positions inside the company to commit crimes for their own gain.

But they still exist inside the company. To try to claim that any company as large and diverse as UPS has no crime problem, that its screening and surveillance methods are flawless, is simply ludicrous.

For fairness' sake, though, here's one where UPS' internal surveillance tapes did catch a guy stealing from the company in New Jersey:

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/07/bridgewatera_united_parcel_ser.html

But, he still managed to steal nearly 100 high-end watches with a total value of perhaps $300,000 between 2007 and 2008 before he was caught.

Do you think he would have batted an eye at stealing handguns?


So, tell us again how UPS has perfect screening and surveillance that prevents internal crime, how UPS employee theft of handguns was NOT a primary reason for UPS adopting the requirement that firearms be shipped next day air at significantly higher costs to gun owners, and how the company is so confident in their ability to prevent theft that they have dropped the shipping requirements on handguns?

Oh, wait, you can't.

You can accuse me of harboring a grudge against UPS for what you believe to be bad experiences on my part, but that is an attempt at obfuscation and diversion on your part. You're attempting to cloud the issue at hand by accusing ME of something, while totally ignoring the true issues that I have raised in this thread - that employee theft is a problem for UPS, always has been, and likely always will be until the company is able to replace all of its employees with robots, and that UPS adopted its handgun shipment requirements in the face of ongoing theft of handguns that were entrusted to it for delivery.

Nice try, but it doesn't work.
 
I am with Mike Irwin on this one, he is correct and has chapter and verse to prove it. Don't think he overstated his case either. rodfac is just a bit sensitive when it comes to UPS.
 
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