9mm SD Ammo for NJ
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Sharpsdressed Man
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Worried about the effectiveness of your bullets? Double double tap. Works for me, no matter what caliber I am using.................
MikeNice81
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rstambo, The only thing that is ambiguous is whether you have to be a member of a club to buy the bullets legally. Otherwise the law is very clear. Hollow points are only for target shooting, competing, and hunting.
A hollow point that misses will still go through several walls. A bullet that won't penetrate sheet rock won't penetrate a bad guy. Go with the Guard Dog or EFMJ ammo. It will penetrate deep enough to reach the most vital organs. Plus you don't risk jail time for using it.
The lungs, heart, brain, and liver (blood rich) and stomach can all be reached with 3" - 6" on even an overweight person. Don't risk turning a good shoot in to a decade in prison. If you do, what could did shooting do?
A hollow point that misses will still go through several walls. A bullet that won't penetrate sheet rock won't penetrate a bad guy. Go with the Guard Dog or EFMJ ammo. It will penetrate deep enough to reach the most vital organs. Plus you don't risk jail time for using it.
The lungs, heart, brain, and liver (blood rich) and stomach can all be reached with 3" - 6" on even an overweight person. Don't risk turning a good shoot in to a decade in prison. If you do, what could did shooting do?
ammo in NJ
Don't try to be a sea lawyer! Use a shotgun or go to FMJ; it will work.
"In Russia, everything is illegal, particularly that which is permitted.
In Germany, everything is illegal, except that which is expressly permitted.
In France, everything is legal except that which is expressly forbidden.
In Italy, everything is permitted, especially that which is prohibited.
In NJ, it is likely that everything is prohibited..."
Don't try to be a sea lawyer! Use a shotgun or go to FMJ; it will work.
"In Russia, everything is illegal, particularly that which is permitted.
In Germany, everything is illegal, except that which is expressly permitted.
In France, everything is legal except that which is expressly forbidden.
In Italy, everything is permitted, especially that which is prohibited.
In NJ, it is likely that everything is prohibited..."
If it's gotta be FMJ, know that 9MM FMJ is one very serious penetrator. Seeing as the NJ gun climate is so generally stacked against the gun owner, I suspect that it wouldn't go well for someone whose round unintentionally hit another's car/house/property/body.
If you really want a good self-defense round, you can do without HPs if you have a revolver. Have you given any consideration to a hot wadcutter load?
Since you can't carry, lots o' barrel length is no problem. 4 grains of HP38 or W-231 behind a .38 SPL hollow-based wadcutter is a pretty strong round.
"Hey, it was loaded for target practice. Thank God it was there...."
If you really want a good self-defense round, you can do without HPs if you have a revolver. Have you given any consideration to a hot wadcutter load?
Since you can't carry, lots o' barrel length is no problem. 4 grains of HP38 or W-231 behind a .38 SPL hollow-based wadcutter is a pretty strong round.
"Hey, it was loaded for target practice. Thank God it was there...."
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MikeNice81
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Federal has an EFMJ that is labelled as that instead of Guard Dog. It comes in standard weights for the caliber. Unfortunately it is hard to find because it is sold mainly to LEOs and Soldiers.
Guard Dog is the "reduced recoil" version for civilians. Federal hates civilians nearly as much as HK. Not really. The Guard Dog ammo is made so that it minimizes over-penetration when shooting through interior walls and doors. Soldiers and cops usually don't have that concern.
The EFMJ that you might find in 50 round boxes will perform very differently than Guard Dog. It will actually be designed for deeper penetration and more controlled expansion. Good luck finding it though.
Guard Dog is the "reduced recoil" version for civilians. Federal hates civilians nearly as much as HK. Not really. The Guard Dog ammo is made so that it minimizes over-penetration when shooting through interior walls and doors. Soldiers and cops usually don't have that concern.
The EFMJ that you might find in 50 round boxes will perform very differently than Guard Dog. It will actually be designed for deeper penetration and more controlled expansion. Good luck finding it though.
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What way is the wording of the law . Even full FMJ that expands might be illegal example.
The Firearms (Northern Ireland) Order 2004
Weapons subject to general prohibition
(f)any ammunition which is designed to be used with a pistol and incorporates a missile designed or adapted to expand on impact;
The Firearms (Northern Ireland) Order 2004
Weapons subject to general prohibition
(f)any ammunition which is designed to be used with a pistol and incorporates a missile designed or adapted to expand on impact;
As a new jersey resident, I purchased 9mm and .45 acp rounds of the federal EFMJ. I bought them before guard dog came out and I keep my g17 and xd45 loaded with them. The law has alot of grey areas regarding the possession and use of hollow nosed ammunition. This is from the NJ state legislature website
f.Dum-dum or body armor penetrating bullets. (1) Any person, other than a law enforcement officer or persons engaged in activities pursuant to subsection f. of N.J.S.2C:39-6, who knowingly has in his possession any hollow nose or dum-dum bullet, or (2) any person, other than a collector of firearms or ammunition as curios or relics as defined in Title 18, United States Code, section 921 (a) (13) and has in his possession a valid Collector of Curios and Relics License issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, who knowingly has in his possession any body armor breaching or penetrating ammunition, which means: (a) ammunition primarily designed for use in a handgun, and (b) which is comprised of a bullet whose core or jacket, if the jacket is thicker than.025 of an inch, is made of tungsten carbide, or hard bronze, or other material which is harder than a rating of 72 or greater on the Rockwell B. Hardness Scale, and (c) is therefore capable of breaching or penetrating body armor, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. For purposes of this section, a collector may possess not more than three examples of each distinctive variation of the ammunition described above. A distinctive variation includes a different head stamp, composition, design, or color.
(2) a. Nothing in subsection f. (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land, nor shall subsection f. (1) be construed to prevent any licensed retail or wholesale firearms dealer from possessing such ammunition at its licensed premises, provided that the seller of any such ammunition shall maintain a record of the name, age and place of residence of any purchaser who is not a licensed dealer, together with the date of sale and quantity of ammunition sold.
There are two other paragraphs that talk about exemptions for military, law enforcement members and nuclear power plant employees
In section 2C:39-6 there are things that cover exemptions for the use of firearms but it does not specifically go over hollowpoints
The funny thing is that when you read the main part, it seems as if the law was enacted because whoever made it thought that hollow points were better at penetrating body armor. Idiots
f.Dum-dum or body armor penetrating bullets. (1) Any person, other than a law enforcement officer or persons engaged in activities pursuant to subsection f. of N.J.S.2C:39-6, who knowingly has in his possession any hollow nose or dum-dum bullet, or (2) any person, other than a collector of firearms or ammunition as curios or relics as defined in Title 18, United States Code, section 921 (a) (13) and has in his possession a valid Collector of Curios and Relics License issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, who knowingly has in his possession any body armor breaching or penetrating ammunition, which means: (a) ammunition primarily designed for use in a handgun, and (b) which is comprised of a bullet whose core or jacket, if the jacket is thicker than.025 of an inch, is made of tungsten carbide, or hard bronze, or other material which is harder than a rating of 72 or greater on the Rockwell B. Hardness Scale, and (c) is therefore capable of breaching or penetrating body armor, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. For purposes of this section, a collector may possess not more than three examples of each distinctive variation of the ammunition described above. A distinctive variation includes a different head stamp, composition, design, or color.
(2) a. Nothing in subsection f. (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land, nor shall subsection f. (1) be construed to prevent any licensed retail or wholesale firearms dealer from possessing such ammunition at its licensed premises, provided that the seller of any such ammunition shall maintain a record of the name, age and place of residence of any purchaser who is not a licensed dealer, together with the date of sale and quantity of ammunition sold.
There are two other paragraphs that talk about exemptions for military, law enforcement members and nuclear power plant employees
In section 2C:39-6 there are things that cover exemptions for the use of firearms but it does not specifically go over hollowpoints
The funny thing is that when you read the main part, it seems as if the law was enacted because whoever made it thought that hollow points were better at penetrating body armor. Idiots
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A bit of legal advice from a non-JD holder...
I'm not a lawyer, sworn LE officer or legal resident of the Garden State but if it were me, I'd look at the Federal EFMJ line, the Corbon PowRball, Magsafe, Corbon/Glaser Safety Slugs or the Hornady TAP ammunition.
To my understanding(and I may be wrong,
), factory hollowpoints MAY be owned or used in the home or property but NOT as regular carry/concealed weapon ammunition.
Your local LE agency's crime prevention or public affairs office should guide you about state/local/city ordanances & gun laws.
Other useful legal resources include; www.USA.gov www.handgunlaw.us www.gunlawguide.com www.NRA.org .
Author, JD holder & gun-use of force expert David Wong wrote a detailed legal guide to US gun & knife laws also.
CF
I'm not a lawyer, sworn LE officer or legal resident of the Garden State but if it were me, I'd look at the Federal EFMJ line, the Corbon PowRball, Magsafe, Corbon/Glaser Safety Slugs or the Hornady TAP ammunition.
To my understanding(and I may be wrong,
), factory hollowpoints MAY be owned or used in the home or property but NOT as regular carry/concealed weapon ammunition.Your local LE agency's crime prevention or public affairs office should guide you about state/local/city ordanances & gun laws.
Other useful legal resources include; www.USA.gov www.handgunlaw.us www.gunlawguide.com www.NRA.org .
Author, JD holder & gun-use of force expert David Wong wrote a detailed legal guide to US gun & knife laws also.
CF
50 caliber hardball Francis Castiglione
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NJ here. Im not sure what the confusion is about. You can own Hollow point ammunition under certain exemptions, under the statute. The carve out would not exist if the ammunition was prohibited. NJ has no problem outright banning everything from "high cap" magazines to telescoping stocks to certain named rifles. If "they" didn't want hollow points in the state, there wouldn't be any. If you wait for the statute to be amended to specifically include "its ok to shoot someone in self defense with it", good luck. In the aftermath of an incident, if all the other details point to a "good shoot" (within your home, armed intruder etc etc) the fact that you had HP ammo (the same as issued to state and local PD, and again NOT prohibited) should be inconsequential.