9mm powder change
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I used a lot of TiteGroup in 9mm with plated 125 Berry's. It works just fine, and meters as well as any fine powders do in a volumetric powder thrower. With cast lead it was not so good for me in several calibers. I do not use it now, as all I shoot is cast lead, and for that I use either Win231/HP38, or Bull's Eye.
It worked great with 125 grain plated HP, and FP at 4.2 to 4.4 grains. 4.0 was a bit more sooty shooting.
It worked great with 125 grain plated HP, and FP at 4.2 to 4.4 grains. 4.0 was a bit more sooty shooting.
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I use TiteGroup in my 9mm and 38 special loads. It has a lot of the same characteristics as H4895 but in a faster burning powder. It can be down loaded to well below the listing starting loads and still produce accuracy. I have also loaded right up to the maximum listed loads without any noticeable problems. I have to seat bullets to a shorter OAL due to the very short leade in my CZ 75B and to further complicate the loading my 9mm has 1:10 rifling. I have not yet experienced anything unusual in brass life or inaccuracy.
TiteGroup is fine grain and dense; thus, it's one of the best metering powders I've ever used. I suppose that's a good thing, considering its spunky characteristics and narrow charge window 
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Yep. Sure can. Been there. Done that.
Haven't done that. But only because I have/had no need to load with it that way. Along those lines, what I have done is used it for 357 Magnum, 158gn plated (X-treme) SWC's. 5.4 grains delivers about 970 f/s through a 4" bbl. Pressure is up there a bit with this loading - considering the bullet weight and velocity for such a fast propellant. But it sure is a sweet handling round. Recoil is just a quick little snap, followed by the bullet going exactly where I pointed it. I load/shoot a lot of these.
.Yep. Sure can. Been there. Done that.
Haven't done that. But only because I have/had no need to load with it that way. Along those lines, what I have done is used it for 357 Magnum, 158gn plated (X-treme) SWC's. 5.4 grains delivers about 970 f/s through a 4" bbl. Pressure is up there a bit with this loading - considering the bullet weight and velocity for such a fast propellant. But it sure is a sweet handling round. Recoil is just a quick little snap, followed by the bullet going exactly where I pointed it. I load/shoot a lot of these.
ShootistPRS
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I don't see where TiteGroup has a "narrow" charge window. I know the 9mm cartridge is famous for its sensitivity to near maximum charges but that is true of all powders used in the 9mm. It extends from the small case size and high pressures used to achieve its favorable ballistics.
shot another 50 today @ 3.7gr accuary was great out of the berretta, not bad with the sccy (I blame the trigger). just for comparison I also shot some Winchester white box and my old load of 6.2gr hs6. The tight group had noticeably less recoil, I'm sure that is because I'm at start load. My question now is that such a bad thing? Another thing to note is the barrel seemed to heat up quicker, is this due to the faster burn?
To be expected - it's a faster propellant. All else being equal (but rarely is), a faster powder is more "expended" when the bullet exits the barrel. Therefore, thrust recoil (the same action/reaction that propels rockets into space) is lower. That said, TG is curiously low recoil in most applications. It's kinda neat that way.
That's part of it, most likely. But that's not the whole story.
Recoil junkies would say it is
. Personal preference. At my age, with my small arthritic hands, I'd say it's not such a bad thing at all.A lot quicker, I bet. TG runs HOT. I mean, HOT. Really HOT. Ridiculously hot. Which it why it's pretty much useless with lead. I think it actually aerosolizes lead and deposits it all down the entire length of the barrel - not to mention what it's putting in the atmosphere for all to breathe. It's TG's single biggest drawback and why I only use it for plated bullets.
Partially. But mostly because of its high nitroglycerine content - from what I understand. That's outside my expertise.
I have about 1/2 # of TG remaining and I won't be getting any more. Don't take that wrong, though. I like TG. It's pretty neat stuff in a few ways. It meters really nice; a little bit goes a long way; and makes really consistent range ammo. Load it under plated bullets and you've got great ammo. But, I prefer W231/HP-38 because it also makes great plated range shooters. And, it's suitable (very suitable, actually) for lead slugs too.
Here's the facts on recoil: Recoil is a function of bullet weight, velocity, and powder charge weight. If your TG load is slower than your HS-6 load (with the same bullet weight), it will produce less recoil.
The powder charge weight is also part of the formula to calculate recoil force. If two powders produce the same velocity with the same bullet, the one that requires more weight produces more recoil. This is because the weight of the powder is part of what comes out the end of the barrel (ejecta). More powder weight (for the same velocity) means more recoil force, via the conservation of mass. Recoil is explained at this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recoil
You can calculate the recoil force here: http://kwk.us/recoil.html
You can refer to my previous post#14 I have found that 3.7 grains of Titegroup works well with 115, 125, and 135 gr coated lead bullets. Don't know about you ,but I reload to save money so I work on loads that will use the least amount of powder that function the gun, have accuracy and stay within the safe guide lines.
Exactly! I use Titegroup for 9mm, .380 and .44-40.