9 rounds of .45 versus 16 rounds of 9MM?

If you are only going to encounter 1 BG, 9/45 will do. But what if it is multiple BGs, say 4,5,6 or more? You are going to be wishing you had 16/9.

I was trained in the old days, with a 6/357. I am not one of the newer generation of Hi-Cap, Spray and Pray shooters we see all too often, not just CCW but LEO as well.

I take the 9/45 with a spare magazine.
 
Suppressive Fire??? Good God Man!!! This is civilian life we are talking about not the storming of Normandy. I hope neither I nor anybody I care about are innocent bystanders when you decide to empty a high capacity magazine of 9mm while you flee the scene. If you have any intention of pulling the trigger of your gun without knowing exactly where that bullet will hit, then you have no business owning a gun, much less carrying one for self-defense. I hope that I am not the only person on this forum who feels this way!
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What makes you think suppressive fire is wild?

BG ducks behind cover and decides it's a shootout -- IOW, he doesn't high tail it. The problem is that now he's hunting me, and he knows where I am. I'm moving! I'm going to fire at him accurately and hit his cover. Then I'm going to the next most distant cover I can get to moving very quickly. If still in danger, I'm going to repeat the process until I'm not.

"Suppressive fire" that's wild is just stupid because ALL it does is waste ammo and endanger others, and it's not even "suppressive fire" in a military sense. You shoot AT the cover the BG is behind before you instantly depart for a better position. The BG won't show himself for a few seconds after a round hits close to him. Wild fire, OTOH, isn't a danger to the BG, and he knows where you are and that you don't know what you're doing!

If receiving suppressive fire, you hear the rounds hit, then you hear the report. If all you hear is the report, you know YOU'RE not being targeted. Splat/bang keeps heads down, not just bang. While the BG's head is down, I'm moving. You do what you want....
 
Unless you are a LEO or a bad guy, the point is moot. Average Joe Lawabiding isn't going to need 16 rounds! One or two should do just fine. If you need 16, you are in way over your head.
 
There have been incidents where cops run out of ammo. There was a black lady policewoman several years ago in the south (Alabama?) who prevented an execution of civilians in a barbershop with her .38 special. I think she took a couple of bullets. She switched to carrying a Glock off duty as a result. Having any gun is vastly better than no gun, but revolvers are too difficult for most people to reload quickly. FIve or six shots is probably ok for 1 assailant, but perhaps not for 2 or 3. I would vote for 15 shots of 9mm, but eight shots of .45 with a reload should be pretty damn good too.
 
9 vs. 45 debate..I love these....Hmm...OK I'll jump in!:D

I guess it all depends what type if situations you foresee yourself being in. I see your point Stans..
if you are a BG, you might be in a situation where you have to take on multiple good guys who are semi-trained/well trained. What you do for a living might cause several black & whites to surround you (after all....you're a BAD GUY!) The LEO must sometimes respond to a situation where multiple suspects are heavily armed (Bad Guys) and back up is minutes/hours away. Both individuals more than likely will get into it with armed MULTIPLE adversaries.
That's not to say that the civilian won't encounter a similar situation, even far fetched.. so...a hi-capacity 9mm is still a viable option for Joe Citizen. Yes...I know the hardcore 45 packers look upon the 9mm shooter as the same guy who packs a Beta Drum mag for his AR-15 and calls in the chopper for BACKUP!:D
I like the 9mm because of its ease of handling and fast follow-up shots, as well as its accuracy. No matter what people say, if you shoot a 45 great, you can shoot a 9mm better/quicker! However there are situations where there is time for only one shot. I'm no dummy, I'd grab a 45! :)

In summary:

You are walking down the street from a late night date with that fashion model you know, you're thinking how well it went and ...POW!
Bad guy IN YOU FACE! "Gimme ya money and ya MIGHT live!" :eek:

Got to put'em down NOW! 45ACP

Multiple armed BGs, make my way out a there 'cuz I'm in the middle of nowhere!

You are driving down a long desolate road in the everglades from a late night date with that herpetologist you know, when ....POW!
You stumble in on a P2P deal in the middle of alligator alley and the party favors are Mac-10s and Tec-9s! :eek: :eek: :eek: (Triple EEK!)

Fight your way to safety against multiple BGs. 9mm!
I guess here is where the suppressive fire comes in Sundance! ;)

Again..I like the 9mm, not because of its "firepower" although it doesn't hurt. And by the way, I pack two extra magazines, reguardless of what caliber I pack. My buddy asks me "What are you going to DO with all that ammo?" Duane Thomas put it nicely "Hopefully NOTHING!"
The same buddy tells me I wouldnt need all those rounds if I would stop wearing those "Bikers are Pu$$ies tee-shirts!:D

If you are really torn between the 45 and 9...carry BOTH:cool:
 
Carry one of each and you're covered for all the posted scenarios.:D



lendringser -
I agree with that, being a revolver toter most of the time, but on the same subject...nobody's ever been in a gunfight saying, "I just have way too many bullets in this gun."
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That's not true. I heard "Yes, officer. It seems there are too many bullets in this gun." Am I the only one that saw The Last Boyscout? :D
 
I continue to find some things amusing...

Around the world, the 9mm is considered quite powerful, to the point that many countries (even many who allow private gun ownership) don't allow their citizens to own one. The citizens of those countries have to "make do" with .380's and .32s etc. In the U.S. many people seem to think that it's better to scream at your attacker than to shoot him with a 9mm.

All the guys claiming that they don't need a hi-cap gun because they are going to "make their shots count" are completely missing the point. If you can make each and every shot count, then why is caliber choice so important. I mean, if you are good enough to know that you won't miss, why do you need to carry a .45? Just about any caliber will do if you never miss...

Who needs a hicap gun, just carry extra mags. Sure! I guess we are forgetting that it is very common to be hit in the hands and arms during gun fights--or to have to wrestle with your attacker (or attackers) with your free hand. That extra mag on your belt won't do you any good when you need a quick reload and one of your hands is shot up or busy fending someone off.

Besides, as a purely practical matter, how many things can a person carry concealed on his belt for rapid access and still be able to function normally in society?

Also, I don't care WHO you are or how good you are, a guy with a hicap gun will get off his tenth round faster than you if you have to reload before your tenth. So what if you can make a 1.5 second mag switch? What good does that do you if the guy shooting at you kills you during that interval because you aren't shooting back?

I guess that we shouldn't even get into the idea that there might be more than one or two attackers--I know, this one always gets dismissed with "If there are, you're dead anyway, so why bother." Well, dopey me, I just kind of think I might like to bother--after all, it's my life we're talking about. I'd like to have a fighting chance, not just give up or be handicapped by self-imposed artificial limits on my gun's ammunition carrying capability when faced with multiple attackers.

I'll throw in another one. "You can't miss fast enough with a 9mm to win a gunfight." True, and no matter how big your bullets are with a .45, they won't have any effect if they miss. The only difference is, you have twice as many chances NOT to miss with a 9mm. Concentrating on misses when it comes to a question of caliber is completely unproductive. After all. WHEN YOU MISS--ALL CALIBERS ARE EQUAL. This one really gets me. When you start talking about missing, the issues become controllability (which is easier to hit with) and probability (how many chances do I have to hit with). I just don't see how this argument can be used against the 9mm--after all, everyone agrees that full size 9mm are controllable, hi-capacity pistols.

About half the responses to this thread are pure, unadulterated fantasy brought on by gunwriter propaganda.
 
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either gun will do because it shot placment that counts. That said I'd do just fine with the 45apc 8 round mag. or a 9mm 15 round mag.:cool:

Tony
 
This is going nowhere. Use whatever you want, for whatever reason, just practice a lot. You can't miss fast enough with a hi-cap 9mm to stop a fight.
 
So many here are so full of excrement it's not even funny. Most of you never have and never will be in a "situation". Therefore, it's impossible to predict how one's self will react. There's some that would head for the hills, some that would shoot themselves, others that would freeze and yes, some that would react in the perfect way. The problem is, you don't know till you're in that situation how you're going to react. All you can do is practice and try to be alert and ready for the unthinkable. You might be able to hit a gnat's a__ at 50 paces blindfolded and over you're shoulder, when you're in the relaxed environment of your local range, but try adding the stress of missles flying towards you in anger and see how cocky you are then! I have been unfortunate enough to have had projectiles whizzing past my head. It changes everything! By the way, give me the 9mm.
 
simple, in the event of riots, gangs, natural disaster, youll need the extra ammo.

Ive had both guns, both rugers in 9mm and .45. the .45 was more accurate. seems the 9mm has more muzzle flip. in both guns the 9mm and .45 are reliable.

if things break down, you'd be better with the 9mm, or with the .45 and extra mags.

look at what caliber is more common, might be the 9mm, so resupply would favor the 9mm.

for me the P90 was more effective, really accurate out of the box. id say i would go with the .45, even with the benefits of the 9mm. I would better in a close up one on one confrontation.
 
Why does it always have to be so complicated?!!:rolleyes:

I have asked this question before:
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:confused: Hmmm... so how did the replies add up when you first asked this question?
If you were in a bad situation, would you rather have a 9 MM auto with 16 rounds in it, or a .45 with 9 rounds?
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My answer's simple: i'll use what i have at the time, and use it well, be it any of those two calibers, a 2x4, a hammer or whatever. I believe that's the time for me to think defensive or survival tactics, instead of confusing myself with wishful thinking...

JMHO,

New_comer ;)
 
Both are better situations than "Please don't hurt me" or "Stop threatening me with that (knife-baseball bat-tire iron-screwdriver, etc.) or I'll call the police". And you forgot 11 rounds of .40. I use all 3 combos on occasion. But my 9mm only holds 13. And my .45 only 8. Am I inadequately armed? Dang it. Sure wish I had some of those 50 or 60 shot pistols I see in the movies sometime.
 
The 9 rounds of 45. Every time.

Not to mention the extra magazine. (Which all prudent folks should have, regardless of capacity.)
 
then if you have the extra mags, you are looking at 18 verses 32 rounds. still in riot or gang situation the 9mm is better;)
 
CALIBER or PLATFORM

If you mean 'caliber', then I don't care.

If you mean 'platform', then I prefer the 1911 pattern.

Given the SAME platform then I prefer more bullets (shot placement shot placement shot placement).

Figure as non-L.E. a wheel is fine, too.
 
MP-5 was correct in bringing in two siuations. This is how I look at it: a GB in the house at night, a 45acp; a "get out of Dodge" situation, a 9mm with hi-caps.

Though I own a Kimber Compact for ccw, I have nothing against the 9mm and have been shoping for a fullsize with available hi-caps.

tjg
 
Just a question for "SOUTHERNSHARK" How do you, in an extreme stress situation, line up the more than one BGs and take them out with one shot?:confused:
 
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