870 police: help me choose sights and stock

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I like the 870p max. But its spendy,

Which stock is best? Any advantage im not seeing to the standard stock? Id like a pistol grip. Which is better the solid type or M4 type?

Sights: bead/rifle/ghost ring?

HD mostly. Occasional slug use.

If I get the 870p max it answers which stock and sights I get. Is the flashlight as worth it as I think it is?
 
I have a Mesa Tactical Urbino stock on my 870. Bit longer than a youth stock, and an impressive recoil pad (can shoot trap all day and my shoulder will be just fine).

Also comes with an adjustable cheekrest that lets you line up with any optics you might have. Without the cheekrest, it puts my eye right on top of the receiver.

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I have a Knox 6 position stock and I love it. The prices have been coming down during the last year; a quick amazon search will show a lot of options and reviews.
 
OK, I'm an old Cop who's carried shotguns for my whole career. Every Cop I know who carried and shot a pistol grip shotgun would later have joint trouble in the wrist and elbow. I always used a regular full stock and never ever once had any trouble getting it in, around, over or through anything.
 
Im mostly into semi-auto pistols. Looking for a rifle and a shotgun to round things out. Suppose I am guilty of looking at the most expensive 870p and equating that w what's best for me. Starting to wonder if I should just get a base synthetic one. I have never shot a pistol grip shotgun. Was advised against the type without the buttstock. Thought the combo was where its at?
 
What is worth the money depends on the use it is put to. IMO if you are using the gun for LE daily the additional cost isn't a consideration. If this if for HD, you may be going overboard depending on your budget. I think a basic 870 Express is plenty for HD. That or a Mossberg 500. I am just used to the 870 which that is what I have. Actually, the 7 shot model with the factory 2 inch mag extension, an 18.5" barrel, a bead sight, standard stock, and a LE Speed Load forend. Last December Remington had a $50 rebate on it and it went for $325. I think that fore end and ligth you are looking at costs nearly that.
 
Shotgun693-

are you referring to the pistol grip only shotguns or the combination pistol grip/shoulder stock shotguns like Ridge_Runner_5 posted?
 
checkmyswag

for my money the best stock value is Speedfeed IV or if you need a shorter lop IV-S are the standard by which all others are measured. As far as sights the quickest to the target are bead front sights, I like XS sight systems Big Dot Tritium Front Beads, a wonderful sight for old eyes.

Good Luck and Be Safe
 
870 custom work/stocks...

For a home defense/LE duty type 870 12ga, I'd check out www.vang-comp.com www.wilsoncombat.com www.blackhawk.com www.natchezss.com www.deltaforce.com .
A SureFire fore-end is a good add-on, www.Surefire.com . The Knoxx II type stock is worth the $ too, IMO.
I'd get an extended mag over a Side-Saddle but many gunners(like Texas Ranger Cordell Walker, www.imfdb.org ) like it.
For easy cleaning & to protect your "room broom" you may want to get a Black T or www.Bearcoat.com treatment. Robar's NP3+ is great too but not cheap for a 870 12ga shotgun.
Clyde
 
Shotgun693 said:
OK, I'm an old Cop who's carried shotguns for my whole career. Every Cop I know who carried and shot a pistol grip shotgun would later have joint trouble in the wrist and elbow. I always used a regular full stock and never ever once had any trouble getting it in, around, over or through anything.
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This old civilian agrees with the old cop. I've used the Knoxx stock (recoil reducing) for several years, yes it works with slugs but it has a different feel to it. I have a Speedfeed II set I'm going to install to get away from the pistol grip.

I'm taking the sidesaddle off and the light. Less is more and getting the weight down makes it much easier to maneuver. I'm even considering removing the tube extension, getting back to basics.
 
Speedfeed IV-S or Mesa Urbino for the stock (get a Vang Comp Big Dome safety to go with it)

XS Big Dot for the sight



I put pistol grip full stocks (IV-S or similar) on most of my shotguns a few years ago after I discovered how much easier they make recoil management, reloading with the muzzle on target, and follow up shots. The are also a huge advantage when "short sticking" as your wrist is not at such a odd angle.

Recently I decided to give a conventional stock non-pistol gripped stock another try. It only took about 20 rounds to remind me how grossly inferior it is for a "social gun". I took it off and put a proper pistol gripped full stock back on right away.
 
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Well this former cop and current soldier disagrees :D I've always had pistol grips on my shotguns and haven't ever had any medical issues to to frequent practice/training with them.

I find them easier to maneuver with the pistol grip stocks and fore ends. A basic set up will absolutely get the job done though. It's just a matter of preference and training.
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Most holds and firing positions are attained with a traditional stock...

More retention capability with a traditional stock...

Plenty of intuitive and instinctive accuracy with shot or slugs for accurately putting the right load on the right target within reasonable range with just a bead or none at all...

YMMV
Brent
 
Pistol grips on shotguns are pointless and in most cases actually interfere with either the safety or the slide release or both. Try manipulating the slide release and safety without breaking your grip on the pistol grip. Good luck.

Get a standard stock. Collapsible stocks, recoil reducing stocks, all that stuff is like the latest fishing lure: it catches more fishermen than fish.

Unless you are going to run primarily slugs, there really isn't much point in anything other than a bead sight. Again, this is the new fishing lure phenomenon.

Your money is far better spent - and needed - on a fore end light if you plan to make this your HD weapon. A Surefire fore end light will cost more than either an 870 or 500, but in my opinion you must have a light on any gun you are going to use for HD.

You didn't ask, but I'll offer this advice, too: buy a single point sling. Operating a pump gun with a two point sling gets tricky. Tricky is bad.

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Pistol grips on shotguns are pointless and in most cases actually interfere with either the safety or the slide release or both. Try manipulating the slide release and safety without breaking your grip on the pistol grip.
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I read this and knew you had a Mossberg before I even scrolled down to see the picture.

With a 870 (which the OP has) the opposite is true for the safety and the slide release is a wash due to its location.
 
I read this and knew you had a Mossberg before I even scrolled down to see the picture.

With a 870 (which the OP has) the opposite is true for the safety and the slide release is a wash due to its location.
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The OP doesn't have an 870, yet. To his inquiry I have suggested that he is buying a bunch of stuff he doesn't need if he buys the gun about which he asked.

I have an 870, too. The point remains, pistol grips on shotguns are pointless.
 
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I will conceed that I misread the OP and thought that he had an 870.

However, pistol grip full stocks are absolutely not worthless for an 870 owner for the reasons I mentioned in the first post. They are a huge advantage.
 
P-Daddy's 12ga, LAPD's SIS, pistol grips...

The pic of P-Daddy's 12ga shotgun is very slick, ;) .
I disagree with the - remarks about shotgun pistol grips.
There are some uses & merit for them under limited conditions.
To my understanding, the LAPD's elite SIS detectives use 12ga shotguns with Surefire fore-ends & pistol grips.
I read that the average length of service for a SIS member is 15 years(with an outstanding record) before going into the unit & the marksmanship/training standards are very high.
 
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