870 Failure! Shocking, and strange...
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nascarnhlnra
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Moosbergs and Winchesters DON"T suck snobby 870 owners with closed minds however do:barf: :barf: :barf: I don't wait to see what the local PD is using to judge my purchases due to all the political bs that goes on in a police or milatery type contract sale.And no Remington doesn't suck either guess I'm one of the few who see's both sides of the fence.
HMMMMM. Off the top of my bald head I can name at least 6 departments that use Mossberg 590s and like them. One is a pretty good size police dept. that has used them since 1991.
Personally, I prefer the older 870s, but as I've said before, the ejector spring can be a pain. When replacing one I often think of trying to use a small socket head screw instead of those damn rivets, but in the end, it really isn't worth the effort because the "springy thingy" breaks so infrequently. Just MHO.
Personally, I prefer the older 870s, but as I've said before, the ejector spring can be a pain. When replacing one I often think of trying to use a small socket head screw instead of those damn rivets, but in the end, it really isn't worth the effort because the "springy thingy" breaks so infrequently. Just MHO.
DML, you may have better info than I do, TTBOMK, the closest non 870 issued is at Quantico.
Local depts are unanimous about the 870, tho I understand B-more has some 37s in reserve. Some small local agencies may allow their officers to supply their own. Sometimes, I understand, they use confiscated weapons.
IMO, the 590 is at no great disadvantage to the 870 as an issue weapon, IF the dept rotates their inventory at regular intervals and has adequate armorers. Many do not. Same applies to many depts with 870s.
Nascar....
Politics do enter the awarding of dept contracts. That's why Md State Troopers tote the Beretta 92 on duty.They're made in Accokeek,Md. The troopers I know are not too enthused over the 92,many having retained the older Model 19 S&W that was the previous duty sidearm and carrying it as "Backup".
More often tho,the politics are over who gets to supply a given weapon,not which weapon.Dept heads are too litigation shy to go for many substandard weapons. Maintenance, training and so on are less subject to review,since any glaring shortfalls can be excused on the grounds of budget restrictions.
And, 500s and 1300s are good shotguns. I doubt either will last as long as an 870, but it takes a lot of shooting and neglect/abuse to make either inoperable. For personal rather than issue shotguns, the difference is probably it's your grandchildren rather than your great grandchildren that'll think Gramps's shotgun is getting a little loose.
I guess my lifetime sum of shooting 870s, both mine and issue arms, is around 50K rounds. I recall no glitches, except for a few deliberately induced and some when checking out defective weapons to see how defective they were.
But, if I had shot the same number of rounds through well maintained 500s or 1300s, I doubt the results would have been quite as good. 50K rounds is way more than most shotguns, other than target guns, ever see.I do not think the results would have been much worse.
Local depts are unanimous about the 870, tho I understand B-more has some 37s in reserve. Some small local agencies may allow their officers to supply their own. Sometimes, I understand, they use confiscated weapons.
IMO, the 590 is at no great disadvantage to the 870 as an issue weapon, IF the dept rotates their inventory at regular intervals and has adequate armorers. Many do not. Same applies to many depts with 870s.
Nascar....
Politics do enter the awarding of dept contracts. That's why Md State Troopers tote the Beretta 92 on duty.They're made in Accokeek,Md. The troopers I know are not too enthused over the 92,many having retained the older Model 19 S&W that was the previous duty sidearm and carrying it as "Backup".
More often tho,the politics are over who gets to supply a given weapon,not which weapon.Dept heads are too litigation shy to go for many substandard weapons. Maintenance, training and so on are less subject to review,since any glaring shortfalls can be excused on the grounds of budget restrictions.
And, 500s and 1300s are good shotguns. I doubt either will last as long as an 870, but it takes a lot of shooting and neglect/abuse to make either inoperable. For personal rather than issue shotguns, the difference is probably it's your grandchildren rather than your great grandchildren that'll think Gramps's shotgun is getting a little loose.
I guess my lifetime sum of shooting 870s, both mine and issue arms, is around 50K rounds. I recall no glitches, except for a few deliberately induced and some when checking out defective weapons to see how defective they were.
But, if I had shot the same number of rounds through well maintained 500s or 1300s, I doubt the results would have been quite as good. 50K rounds is way more than most shotguns, other than target guns, ever see.I do not think the results would have been much worse.
Gizmo99 and Kevan,
In the first Terminator movie both Reese (good guy) and the Terminator used Ithaca Model 37s. Reese had the extended mag tube (7+1) and sawed off the stock aft of the grip, the Terminator had the standard (4+1) tube. Both were pulled from the vehicle racks of squad cars in the L.A. area, though I don't think it too likely that Reese could have pulled it from a locked rack. Both are used in the dueling shotguns chase scene where the Terminator hits a wall and escapes with damage to an eye and arm.
In the first Terminator movie both Reese (good guy) and the Terminator used Ithaca Model 37s. Reese had the extended mag tube (7+1) and sawed off the stock aft of the grip, the Terminator had the standard (4+1) tube. Both were pulled from the vehicle racks of squad cars in the L.A. area, though I don't think it too likely that Reese could have pulled it from a locked rack. Both are used in the dueling shotguns chase scene where the Terminator hits a wall and escapes with damage to an eye and arm.
Badger Arms
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We're talking LAPD. No offense to any individualy officers, but not every officer locks up his equipment every time.
Then again, we're also talking about Hollywood, the land of magical shotguns that:
1.) Hit a bad guy dead-on every time when fired from the hip.
2.) Can be sawed-off to the size of a flare pistol and fired one-handed.
3.) Can kill three guys with one blast.
4.) Will have the recoil of a .22 short to the hero but recoil stout enough to cause anyone else to be landed on their butt or pushed back three feet.
5.) Have no muzzle flip when fired one-handed with pistol grip stocks.
6.) Blow cars up with one shot.
7.) Have an infinite tube magazine.
1.) Hit a bad guy dead-on every time when fired from the hip.
2.) Can be sawed-off to the size of a flare pistol and fired one-handed.
3.) Can kill three guys with one blast.
4.) Will have the recoil of a .22 short to the hero but recoil stout enough to cause anyone else to be landed on their butt or pushed back three feet.
5.) Have no muzzle flip when fired one-handed with pistol grip stocks.
6.) Blow cars up with one shot.
7.) Have an infinite tube magazine.
HELLO GUYS!
I happen to be in a unique position to tell you about the merits of modern pump shotguns.
You see, we use 12ga. shot guns in the process of removing slag from coal burning power plants.
There are days when we will fire 10-15 cases of 3" 00 buck in 2 guns in about 4 hours.
In the last 10 years I have had 2 guns that have been in use for the entire period. 1. A Maverick{copy of the old m500}.2.Mossberg m600
The average life of an 870, <2 hrs., 1300 4-5 hrs.
The problem is, we are shooting thru 3"x5" port holes. This means the gun recoils into the boiler wall almost every shot.
The other thing is the massive amounts of ash that collects in the actions.
Coronach
Before you go to your armorer about a springie thing.
one of the shell latches most likely left shell latch needs to be replaced or just restaked,sometimes these come loose,, now if its the smaller hairpin looking piece in the center where bolt rides then yes it s the ejector spring and if bent needs replacement.
Before you go to your armorer about a springie thing.
one of the shell latches most likely left shell latch needs to be replaced or just restaked,sometimes these come loose,, now if its the smaller hairpin looking piece in the center where bolt rides then yes it s the ejector spring and if bent needs replacement.
The world's largest constabulary, the US Armed Forces, I believe selected Mossberg for its duty shotgun - it handles well, the safety is where it shoud be on all SGs, but I personally can't stomach the Aluminum receiver - even my pots and pans are steel...that being said, nothing objectively compares to the all steel, bottom-ejecting Ithaca when it comes to design and engineering, and likewise nothing subjectively compares, to my hands anyway, to the handling and simplicity of an 870...
So there you have it, an Ithaca lover who still sings the praises of Mossies and Remingtons...how's that for open mindedness
So there you have it, an Ithaca lover who still sings the praises of Mossies and Remingtons...how's that for open mindedness
wm1300defender
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I have both Remington 870's (two of them), and seven Winchester model 1300 Defenders(one of each type-I think-except the new 8 shot stainless coastal marine for 2002).
I like the winchesters better, as it appears that Winchesters quality has gone up while remington's has declined in the past 3-5 years or so.
My Remington's have never failed, nor have my Winchester's, but I have several friend's that I have been shooting with, and if their Remington's were manufactured in the past 3-5 years, they don't seem to be of the same quality as they used to be.
Although I tend to think the time I saw the problem, it was operator error and not the Rem870's fault.
The guy said he did not short-stroke the gun, he claimed he could not get it to feed right.
He thought it was the guns problem.
I sold the last Rem870 Marine magnum that I owned because, right out of the box it sometimes would bind in the magazine, like the magazine spring is getting hung up.
When going into battle I always carry a Winchester Defender, but still have enough confidense in my OLDER Rem870,that I could survive with it as well(there is nothing a wrong with the older one).
Thanks-StevieB.
I have both Remington 870's (two of them), and seven Winchester model 1300 Defenders(one of each type-I think-except the new 8 shot stainless coastal marine for 2002).
I like the winchesters better, as it appears that Winchesters quality has gone up while remington's has declined in the past 3-5 years or so.
My Remington's have never failed, nor have my Winchester's, but I have several friend's that I have been shooting with, and if their Remington's were manufactured in the past 3-5 years, they don't seem to be of the same quality as they used to be.
Although I tend to think the time I saw the problem, it was operator error and not the Rem870's fault.
The guy said he did not short-stroke the gun, he claimed he could not get it to feed right.
He thought it was the guns problem.
I sold the last Rem870 Marine magnum that I owned because, right out of the box it sometimes would bind in the magazine, like the magazine spring is getting hung up.
When going into battle I always carry a Winchester Defender, but still have enough confidense in my OLDER Rem870,that I could survive with it as well(there is nothing a wrong with the older one).
Thanks-StevieB.
JAMES L.SMITH
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I posted the same problem early last month.Got the parts from Brownells.The worst part (for me) was geting old rivit out.I called Remington,they wanted me to send them the gun so that they could check it out.Good luck.