870 bayonet......

Folks, no need to get in each other's chili.

Remington did, in fact, manufacture them. You won't find them at WalMart or Gander Mountain, but here's your proof:

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They were issued to the military as the Remington 870Mk1 variant, both in complete gun form and as armorer's kits. I managed to buy two original factory Remington kits, hence my 870Mk1 above and below.

DaveMc is right. Shotgun barrels are quite thin, and if you're going to hang a bayonet on one, it had best be a seriously stout mount, like the older Winchestr Model 97 and Model 12 trench guns. I've tried the slug grouping thing with my 870Mk1 and a rifled Remchoke, and the point of impact does not change much with bayonet hanging or absent. I'll give Remington credit for thinking their design through and making sure a few bayonet thrusts into a bad guy won't bend the barrel. Take a look at the mag tube and the long 3-bolt clamp unitizing everything, actually stiffening up the barrel. You will, however, notice a nose-heavy gun for just a 20" barrel.

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Bayonets and shotguns go together like a fish on a motorcycle. I love them on military rigles but not shotguns
 
Interesting comparison.

Not particularly tolerant (kinda like this thread), but interesting, nonetheless.

Uncle Sam didn't get the fish/motorcycle note, evidently.

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Sounding like a Zumbo-ism in the making, to me. ;)
 
kgpcr,

I am going to Galveston, TX, on my motorcycle and will have fish riding with me on the way back....I believe that CONCLUSIVELY PROVES that you are wrong!

;-)

-- John D. (Mossberg 590A1 -- heavier barrel, BTW -- with M7 bayonet)
 
Thats my progress so far.ordered a cheap surplus m7 and a clamp on bayo lug for a heavy m16 barrel.To get to this point I had to cut the bottom off the standard barrel clamp and radius out the clamp on bayonet lug to fit against the magazine tube.only tools needed so far was dremel with cutting disk.last step is to have it welded on to magazine tube.I may or may not have the mag tube refinished when it is complete.Im waiting to see how bad it looks.probably buy another mag tube and clamp from ebay when I see one for the right price just incase I hate the finished product or I want to return to stock.I dont think this will be the most durable set up and im going to watch out for the mag tube warping.With this set up I consider it more of a haha type thing then useful.when done I might buy a m9 bayonet and see how it looks.I still consider this a good weapon retention advantage cause there would be no way I could wrestle this thing out of someones hands with out getting cut up.If it doesnt work then I own a pretty cool m7 bayo which I think is worth owning by itself and I am out a mag tube.IMHO I think it was worth getting to play with my dremel:D .Ill post pics of finished product after its welded.may the posts on how stupid this is flow like wine!



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I would recommend the Mossberg 590A1, which is the Military's version of the Mossberg 500, and it is even beefed up off of the 590 version. It has a thicker barrel and some other good features that allow more time to fire without worrying about overheating. They try to make as sturdy as possible, which means that if you're worried about it getting wrestled out of your hands by the barrel, and you have the other 90% of it, I think your going to have the advantage of all the weight of it in your hands. Another thing to add is that it was the only pump action shotgun to pass the Milspec standards.
 
Um yeah I'd be intrested to know where the statement that the mossberg was the only mill-spec gun comes from as well

The military has used the Winchester 97, 12, 1200, Ithica, and remington 870... and those are jsut the guns that I have seen at one time or another in person and no the 870 does not go back to the 60's they were still buying them in the 90's and were in active use.
 
liliysdad,

Remington didn't want to risk failing the trials -- it would hurt their sales if they did -- so they decided not to compete at all. Mossberg took the risk.

The point is, however, the 590A1 is superb regardless; it's definitely something I'd take along on an outing...like to King Kong's island, for example...if I could carry enough ammo for it.

But I guess if those guys could carry all those Thompson .45ACP drum magazines (HEAVY!), I guess I could carry enough 12-gauge...and a good edged weapon for those pesky insects! :)

-- John D.
 
Remington didn't want to risk failing the trials -- it would hurt their sales if they did -- so they decided not to compete at all. Mossberg took the risk.
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I am fully aware of the reasoning behind the one-gun trials. The fact is, Remington had nothing to gain from the trials, and Mossberg had nothing to lose. Remington still outsells Mossberg in LE circles, and the 870 remains a steady seller the the military.
 
well I just realized that I have to design it as a clamp on.Went to weld and realized that it would work great other then the fact that I couldnt remove the magazine tube which means I couldnt remove the barrel.lol oh well atleast I realized it before I became a complete dumb ass.....I have it zip tied on for now to see hot it would feel and look.Now I have to make a true bolt on clamp.

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the sling was poached from something from somewhere.I cant remember from what but it just happens to be the right length for slinging it with weapon across the chest at the ready.I had to use this sling with those mounts do to the rear mount being thin on the cheap stock till I can afford a knoxx.most of the time I dont have a sling on it at all just got it outa the truck.
 
that is the goal of a zombie gun.....This inst supposed to be a serious working gun yet.It will be when I buy a knoxx stock/surefire forend/Rifle sights.by the way the only thing ati is the heatshield and ghost sight combo which I purchased for the easy and cheap sights.as goofy as this "tactical" mess is it actually is a pretty good shooter.
 
liliysdad,

Then say that next time and give the OTHER side of the story instead of making Remington look like some superior gun. It isn't.

Mossberg had just as much to lose as did ANY maker who competed.

Military gun trials are TOUGH...and the Mossberg 590A1 doesn't take a back seat to ANY other pump out there.

-- John D.
 
LOL....drink the Mossberg Kool-Aid. What kills me is that Mossberg makes a big deal about "winning" the trials, when it was the only horse in the race. Remington did not enter a gun, and had no reason to. They have had the LE and civilian market cornered for a LONG time. I have no doubt that the 870 could have passed any such test the 590 did, but its irrelevant.
 
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