80-90% in favor of expanded background checks

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mayosligo

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Lately, or once again, every polling outlet seems to be releasing this new set of numbers claiming that a vast majority of people favor expanded background checks. In Louisiana they are coupling this information supporting Sen. Landrieu for reelection.

I am not sure you could get 80-90% of agreement on anything in any poll today. These numbers seem far fetched especially in Louisiana.

http://theadvocate.com/home/5874170-125/poll-finds-wide-support-for
 
I want background checks... I am 100% opposed to bill of sale sales. I live in Illinois where we need a FOID to purchase and thats part of what we need to out on the bill of sale. I decided to always do a transfer with my ffl dealer instead cuz it felt weird. Thank GOD I did!! The person I was selling to who had all the appropriate credentials didnt pass hos automated phone in system background check, which is federal.. turns out he was supposed to surrender his FOID and never did.

The moral of the story here is if I would have sold that gun to him and he gets caught up at some point, the feds can trace the lineage to me and I could be held liable or written fines or something else.

We as citizens that sometime sell guns to someone else must either have a background check system for a sale or use an ffl dealer. Without that done or in place you are playing with fire and WILL get burned. I dont sell anything without an ffl dealer doing the transfer for me. The measly $25 now to be clear of the serial number is worth more than the stress down the road.

Hopefully, my story helps someone down the road and it was worth spending the timw to write these words.
 
I want background checks... I am 100% opposed to bill of sale sales.
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:confused::mad::( ..., who needs enemies.

Actually, if I lived in Illinois, I'd go through a dealer too. I just wouldn't try to force on everyone else!
 
One thing to keep in mind.

Most folks are not recent gun buyers. They have little or no idea what the current laws are in their own states, let alone other states. For example, the other side keeps talking about the "Gun Show Loophole" and buying modern firearms on the Net. We here may know that any licensed dealer must at least do a NICS check (More in some states) in order to legally transfer a firearm in his inventory. As for private, non-licensed sellers, that does vary from state to state. He in CO. for example, even such "Private" transactions at a gun show must go through an FFL for a BGC.

Same problem for the issue of guns on the Net. Most I talk to seem to think that you can order any gun from anywhere on the Net and have it shipped to your door. Again, folks here tend to know, that is not legal since 1968.

These are the very same folks who do not know the difference between full auto, select fire and semi auto / self loading.

Of course, the politicians and mass Media for the most part, prey upon this ignorance of the current laws. If not, such matters as "Straw Sales" and trafficking firearms across state borders would flop as talking points as both are already against the existing law.
 
Mainstream polls, including gallop, show gun control as a priority for 4% of voters.

Don't buy the polls funded by Bloomberg.

I agree PNAC, gun owners can some times be our worst enemies.

Flea is in Illinois so thank God he doesn't represent the average gun owner.

I find people from both camps who are from Illinois are so out of touch with the rest of the country, because of the tyranny they put up with, they have some very screwed up positions.

National universal background checks are a national registration. Even the ACLU agrees with me on that.

People who support UBC s are either wanting to ban all guns or are completely ignorant to Rights, Liberty and privacy.

It's our job to try and educate them. If not we should require they get background checks before speaking, going to church, buying food and breathing. Because if you don't understand people have a Right to self defense, you shouldn't be allowed to infect anyone else with your depraved and twisted thoughts.
 
The moral of the story here is if I would have sold that gun to him and he gets caught up at some point, the feds can trace the lineage to me and I could be held liable or written fines or something else.
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I couldn't find anything that supports this in regards to Illinois FOID cards. Anyone know where a seller is required to check the validity of a buyer's FOID prior to sale?

Welcome to the forums and congrats on your first post. Look forward to more from you ;)

I found someone's explanation of Illinois law that goes like this.
Good info so far. The 24/72 hour wait applies, no NICS check, both must have valid FOID cards. The bill of sale should have two dates on it, one for when the sale is agreed upon, and one when it is completed (and they better be at least 24/72 hours appart). Technically, only the seller must keep his copy of the bill of sale (for ten years)
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Which means you are only required to take down the info, go thru the waiting period, and keep the bill of sale. You have no requirement to verify the buyer's FOID is still good beyond checking that it's good on the spot.
 
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OK... At the risk of drawing fire here...

I moved from NYC to CO. (lived all over, really). The laws regarding simply owning a firearm in NYC, handgun or long gun are very different from CO. For example. When I had my rifle permit, it cost me well over $300 and took 6 mos. before I could even touch a rifle. My pistol "Premise / Target" permit (not for carry, just to own), cost $2000 and took well over a year to process. After this, one could buy 1 handgun, per every 3 mos with prior permission from the NYPD issuing authority.

When Brady passed, I was still living in NYC and, as the laws were much tighter, it really had no relevance to us in the lawful gun owner sect. Many of my fellow shooters got a bit of a snicker out of folks in the hinterland being all upset about Brady and its comparatively light requirements. Further, many took the stance that it was a good thing, passing of Brady, in that it might wake up the more complacent gun folks in the nation as a whole.

For those who live in places where, the hoops and hurdles are much more rigorous, than a simple BGC, the attitude is one of "Welcome to the party".

One thing I will point out with a wag of my finger is this. In places like NY, MA, CT, and the like where, we were hounded and hated and blamed for every act of mayhem on the part of some thug, we made a point of not only being NRA (Lifer or better) but, joining up with and, more importantly, devoting time and effort to our local state associations. Seeing the boasting of 5 Million NRA members makes me a bit sad and a little angry. 5 Million is nothing in this nation when we consider the number of gun owners. Many of which can be counted on to complain and very little else.


No, I am not wagging my finger at anyone here. Simply making the point that 10 Million would be a decent start in membership for the N.R.A.;)
 
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I believe that poll only sampled three states. Those states, were oddly enough, in the northeast if my memory is correct.

You can get any poll result you want if you just happen to know how to ask the right question.

So, no, I don't believe that 90% of Americans want expanded back ground checks.
 
I moved to Illinois from North Carolina 3 yrs ago. I think the phrase they are not conceited, they are convinced :) I certainly oppose the antis' gun control agenda along with "universal background checks."
 
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I have no problem with universal background checks as they would have little impact on law abiding citizens obtaining firearms but I worry about it leading to bans and other unsavory laws. I do know that many who are pushing these so called "reasonable" background laws have much more on their agenda. They are pure and simple anti-gun and would like nothing more than to do away with all firearms. They also would have no problem taking my guns away.
So here lies the problem with these polls: While I don't believe there should be bans of any kind of firearms or limit on magazine capacity for sane law abiding citizens, I do believe there are some out there who I do not want to have any kind of gun in their hand. They could be evil, mad or whatever...they are a danger to others so if someone asks me if I am in favor of BG checks to keep guns away from then I would say yes. It doesn't mean I am in favor of anything else but the antis would like to believe they can get more if expanding BG laws do pass.
 
The Devil, is in the details

I have no problem with universal background checks as they would have little impact on law abiding citizens
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That is not the case as it would have an effect on every gun owner. One the surface, this law sounds so benign and as usual, has little or nothing to do with me. But folks, I tell you that the devil is in the details and I would encourage each and everyone of you to; "Read it for yourselves" . I would say that 90% of gun owners would oppose it. The rest won't bother to read it and just go along. If you can't find the link, I can send it to you. ... ;)

Some folks talk about compromise and by my measure, when you compromise your freedoms and values, you lose. .... ;)

Be free and;
Be Safe !!!
 
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Flea21 said:
The moral of the story here is if I would have sold that gun to him and he gets caught up at some point, the feds can trace the lineage to me and I could be held liable or written fines or something else.
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How could you be held liable? The law prohibits selling a firearm to someone whom you know to be or have reason to believe is a prohibited person. If a buyer shows you a FOID card, you have done your duty. You then have every reason to believe the buyer is NOT a prohibited person. If the State of Illinois wanted his FOID card back but didn't bother to follow up on getting it, shame on the State of Illinois. But that doesn't make the State's problem your problem.

This is no different from states that revoke or suspend a driver's license but make no effort to actually take the license away from the person. It's just more proof that this country has too many laws ... so many that the .gov cannot possibly enforce them all. Their solution to the problems that inevitably result from their failures? Pass MORE laws (that they don't have resources to enforce).

Cognitive dissonance in action.
 
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The Devil, is in the details
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BINGO.... Does "background check" mean getting between patient and doctor? Federal access to all prescription information? Just the gun buyer or everybody in the household who may access the gun? Permanent ownership record that may be (mis)used at a future date?
 
Is a receipt good enough?

I live in Texas & I have sold & bought a few guns face-to-face mostly with friends. I recently bought a Taurus snub nose .38 SPCL from a good shooting buddy of mine that I have known for 10 years. He created a hand written receipt with the gun's description & serial number & date that we both signed. I didn't think a thing about it, because that is what I do when I sell a gun. Seems like that is proof enough that he no longer has responsibility for that firearm.

We both know each other pretty well & he knew that if I wanted to shoot myself or shoot-up a place, I have plenty of guns to do it with! If we went through a FFL dealer it would be a waste of money & effort & pretty much kill the deal.

FWIW...

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polls are polls. to conduct a poll you merely go to the source crowd you want to get a comment on.

for example, if you want to show public support for creating an official "sausage day", youd simply do a poll and ask every butcher and sausage salesman, and youd get at least 80-90% in favor of creating a national sausage day.

same thing, if you want to create a poll against guns, you simply get a list of people who signed up for an anti gun website/pamphlet, and ask them.... voila you get the 80-90 percent total you want.
 
As someone said earlier, to non-gun owners a UBC sounds pretty benign. And to those who still trust government to always do the right thing, fears about using the UBC data to create a national data bank of guns and gun owners with confiscation sometime down the road seems like wild eyed paranoia. Most non-gun owners have no concept about what has occurred in other countries, or even how gun laws here in the US are used to favor the rich and famous (several years ago I read about Steven Tyler coming to NYC for a concert and asking for a concealed carry permit that was approved and issued while he rode in his limousine from the airport to the concert hall; for native New Yorkers who are not rich, famous or politically connected it is literally impossible to get a concealed carry permit in NYC). And non-gun owners have no idea that the people pushing, among other things, a UBC have admitted publicly that their real goal is to confiscate all privately owned firearms. So don't be surprised at a poll showing high support for UBC but don't read too much into it either.
 
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How could you be held liable? The law prohibits selling a firearm to someone whom you know to be or have reason to believe is a prohibited person. If a buyer shows you a FOID card, you have done your duty. You then have every reason to believe the buyer is NOT a prohibited person. If the State of Illinois wanted his FOID card back but didn't bother to follow up on getting it, shame on the State of Illinois. But that doesn't make the State's problem your problem.

This is no different from states that revoke or suspend a driver's license but make no effort to actually take the license away from the person. It's just more proof that this country has too many laws ... so many that the .gov cannot possibly enforce them all. Their solution to the problems that inevitably result from their failures? Pass MORE laws (that they don't have resources to enforce).

Cognitive dissonance in action.
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You obviously dont live in illinois buddy.. their problem is always ours. And the attitude that its not my problem as ling as they show me id is just stupid! People show fake credentials all the time. I think the best way to sell a gun is using an ffl and having them run them, thats the sure fire way to do it and if the buyer doesnt want to do that then obviously something is not right on their end.
 
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