7.62x54r surplus ammo

Thanks for essentially repeating what I just said, so I'm not sure what your arguing, but it's all good.
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You wrote, "The windex doesn't doesn't do jack squat on corrosive fouling" and the idea that it does is "Ummm...no. Pure myth."

Because a person fluent in English would look at theose statements, and believe you are arguing that Windex will not work for washing out corrosive salts.

So which is it? What part is the myth?

Still, no matter how cheap windex is, tap water will always be cheaper. "Mineral Crap"? Really?
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You must have better tap water than I do. How nice for you.

I just love to read all your post, its kind of funny to read the bickering.
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No bickering, he said something wrong to someone asking for advice. I pointed it out, and he backpedaled and pretended he didn't say it, then tried to deflect the attention to my comments about tap water, hoping nobody would notice he contradicted himself.

Just business as usual on the internet.
 
Good Read on how corrosion happens

Best for corrosive ammo is hot water and the cheapest. Ammonia spray like Windex is good at the range because a few quick sprays makes it convienent before you get home for the hot water rinse. Then clean as normal with your favorite cleaning agent then oil and store.
 
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I don't shoot milsurp ammo out of mine, but I've read that the ammonia just helps the water evaporate faster...anyway, you've just gotta get it out of there in a reasonable amount of time.

I agree on the brass issue ...I've been unable to find Prvi brass, so I just buy the loaded ammunition- not much more $$ than the brass alone- even a little less than the Winchester. Doesn't make much sense, but that's how it is.
 
You wrote, "The windex doesn't doesn't do jack squat on corrosive fouling" and the idea that it does is "Ummm...no. Pure myth."

Because a person fluent in English would look at theose statements, and believe you are arguing that Windex will not work for washing out corrosive salts.

So which is it? What part is the myth?
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So would spit, whats your point? The arguments about using windex on corrosive fouling has always involved the ammonia and it's supposed effects on the corrosive salts. I have NEVER, ever come across anyone who was told to use windex because it "contains water". It was always the same old myth that the ammonia content "neutralized" the corrosive salt.

Well, gee if it contains water and thats all you need, dont you think that using plain old water would be better than pointlessly wasting windex?


You must have better tap water than I do. How nice for you.
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:rolleyes:

No bickering, he said something wrong to someone asking for advice. I pointed it out, and he backpedaled and pretended he didn't say it, then tried to deflect the attention to my comments about tap water, hoping nobody would notice he contradicted himself.
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Funny, I don't ever recall "backpedaling" nor "pretending" I didn't say anything." Deflecting attention? Really guy? :rolleyes: Ooooook...*cough* drama queen...*cough*


Just business as usual on the internet.
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Yep, it seems the trolls are out in full force this weekend.
 
Sorry Darren, he's got you on it and it almost certainly is backpedaling to deny it. You did after all flat out say "windex doesn't doesn't do jack squat on corrosive fouling." This is demonstrably untrue. Just because it works for different reasons than those often stated doesn't mean its ineffective.
 
What exactly is there to argue about? Windex doesn't specifically do anything to dissolve corrosive salt. Saying it does is like saying mixed antifreeze, urine or apple juice has some special ability to dissolve salt. They all do because they all contain water.
 
Sorry Darren, he's got you on it and it almost certainly is backpedaling to deny it. You did after all flat out say "windex doesn't doesn't do jack squat on corrosive fouling." This is demonstrably untrue. Just because it works for different reasons than those often stated doesn't mean its ineffective.
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Sorry, no. Re-road my posts.

He started by arguing that since Windex contains water and water is used to flush out corrosive salts, thus I have no idea what I'm talking about. First of all, thats just plain stupid. As I pointed out before, the ONLY reason anyone has ever told someone to use Windex on corrosive fouling was because of the ammonia content and its supposed effects on the corrosive salts, not because it contains water. Thus my original post still stands. To argue and say "no, youre wrong Windex has water and water is used to flush out the salt." shows a complete lack of knowledge on the subject. As nimbleVagarant pointed out (and myself as well) so do a lot of things. I don't see Emcon5 or anyone else telling someone to "use Kool-aid" to clean their bore, after all it contains water too.

Second, look at what I wrote when he stated that I "backpedaled, denied, and contradicted myself"...Here I'll quote it in it's entirety.

Thanks for essentially repeating what I just said, so I'm not sure what your arguing, but it's all good.

Still, no matter how cheap windex is, tap water will always be cheaper. "Mineral Crap"? Really?
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Hmmmmm, doesnt sound like a lot of "backpedaling", "denial (about what I wrote)", or "contradicting" going on there.

If anything he was just sore that I rolled my eyes at his moronic "mineral" comment. Which he apparently believed was an attempt to draw attention away from my comments...HUH???

Why did I say he was repeating what I said? Look at our arguments back to back...

Me= Windex doesnt do jack on corrosive fouling. Use water.

Emcon5= The ammonia content in Windex isnt enough to do anything, but it has water in it so use it.

Sure sounds the same to me...except my way is cheaper and his is a pointless waste of windex.

As Stan Lee used to say..." 'nuff said."
 
I have been using a combination of windex and Hoppes #9 on all of my surplus rifles and pistols that use corrosive ammo for 20+ years w/o incident. I squirt the innards and barrel of the rifle or pistol and let it drip dry, then clean with hoppes as usual once I'm home.
 
I almost bought a Mosin at the last gun show I went to, but I can't afford to collect "cowboy" rifles and military surplus rifles, too bad they were selling them cheap and ww2 era Enfields. Thing is then I would need a springfield, a M-1, maybe a carbine m-1(love those), m-14, mauser 1898, the list goes on:DMan I wish I was just a little richer:mad:
 
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Darren, it can't possibly be any simpler. You said windex doesn't doesn't do any good. Correct? Yes. Does Windex actually work? Yes. Therefore you were mistaken.

Now if you said "Windex only works because it's mostly water anyways, so you may as well use water" that's one thing, but you did flat out say Windex doens't work, at least before the backpedaling started.

It's like taking Dayquil as opposed to Tylenol for a headache, Dayquil contains Tylenol (among other active ingredients) but if you argue that Dayquil wont help your headache just because Tylenol alone will do just as well, then you're not making any sense.

The question at hand is whether or not using Windex prior to one's solvent of choice would prevent the ill-effects of having fired corrosive surplus ammo. And the answer is yes, if you use windex, it will work. It's cheap, it's easy to use, and it works. It doesn't matter if it has nothing to do with the ammonia content.
 
Not wanting to jump on ether side, but I can tell no one here shoots a (Smoke Pole) or a common name is Black Powder Rifle the black powder is very corrosive.
If you do and you have bought a commercial cleaning solution when you open it up you will find it is an ammonia based soap solution.
Here is a link off of the Thompson Centers page showing there spray cleaning solution that is no more than an ammonia based soap solution.
https://secure.tcarms.com/store/7486-t-1-black-powder-bore-solvent-8oz-spray.html
So both sides are right, but the #1 thing to remember is to get the gun cleaned the first couple of hours (depending on climate) after shooting because it doesn't take much corrosion inside of a barrel to start erosion of the rifling.
 
The bottom line is that all that is needed to dissolve the corrosive salts is water. If you want to spend more money, use windex.
 
I shoot both front loader, and BPCR. I'v seen all kinds of gimicks for corosive Black and worse yet Pyrodex. You can not go wrong with Hoppes #9. It's cheep and it's been around for more than a few days.
 
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