7.62x39 rifle

nothing wrong with the PTR32.. its basically a G3/HK91 rifle that fires 7.62x39mm, the germans experimented with them a while ago... steel cased ammo works fine with these, but due to fluted chamber neccessary for the reliable function of a blowback rifle i wouldnt get one if you planned to handload
 
To be fair, I never said anything was "wrong" with the PTR32, just that you pay more money than for an AK to get a gun that weighs a lot more and doesn't do anything better than the AK, it's just not a very wise purchase.
 
Raftman, if the PTR32 is anything at all like the PTR91, there are definite advantages to the rifle over an AK.

1. The sights are better.
2. The barrel is better, so with a better barrel will likely shoot more accurately than an AK
3. More modular. Can exchange the stock for a collapsible stock if desired.
4. Will accept a lovely FERO- Z scope, great optics at a favorable price point.
5. Will accept an registered autosear as a host rifle if that is something that appeals to you.

Lastly, and perhaps more importantly, I seriously doubt that anybody on this board has a true need for any of these weapons, we buy them because we like them and they are fun to shoot... we gain satisfaction from learning a new system and putting rounds where we want them. I surely am not suggesting that you are a communist, nor do I find flaw in your analysis, but sometimes it just doesn't matter what price is. I see nothing wrong with the "I wanna's", and urge that since we are not a communist country where needs trump desires, let's get what we like!
 
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Wouldn't do a Sig-556R, they're widely reported to be problematic particularly with steel-cased ammo and also cost much more than most AK's. Additionally, they can only accept polymer AK mags, the use of steel mags will cause damage to the receiver. If you're gonna pay 2x or more the price of an AK, you shouldn't have to give up reliability and durability.

I never heard anything about the steel cased ammo... I have seen videos where they were shooting it just fine, others may have issues with it though.

The magazine issue has been fixed. Sig started adding a steel insert where the front of the magazine catches in the receiver. That allows the use of steel mags without damage to the receiver.

They also made the ejection port larger on the rifle to ensure good ejection of the 7.62x39 cases, as they are a little larger than 5.56.

Basically from what I can tell, there was some teething issues, but they have been addressed.

Really like the VZ 58 as well... I seen some at my local shop the other day. A couple Century arms (not so sure about them, heard mixed things) and a couple marked TGI...
 
Just picked up my VZ 58 yesterday. It ran flawlessly at the range. I like how light it is and how light the mags are. It seems to hit where ever I want it too. I was shooting at dark spots in the berm, so I don't have any hard and fast numbers, but I was pleased. The side folding stock was comfortable enough to me. I have heard some people complain of it slapping them when they shoot, but I didn't have that happen at all. The only thing I have that is negative to say is the rifle heats up pretty quickly. I did not notice because I used shooting gloves, but the people I was with said it was getting pretty hot.

It was a lot of fun to shoot. I got the rifle from czechpoint. Good rifle for a reasonable price. Good fit an finish also.
 
Excellent - welcome to the club! AK owners seem to deem it a rite of passage to get the wooden forearms to catch fire from the over heated barrel - vz-58 owners prefer to find a way to keep shooting accurately without that happening. :) If you don't have a railed forearm, get one - CzechpointUSA has some, NEA in Canada has some, and Bonesteele Arms has some. Then slap a foregrip on it, problem solved. I have a folding vertical foregrip on one and a MagPul angled foregrip on the other.
 
Honestly, I didn't even notice the heat. I always wear shooting gloves, so it wasn't a big deal for me. I like that rifle, Its got a lot of nice things the AK does not.
 
Raftman, if the PTR32 is anything at all like the PTR91, there are definite advantages to the rifle over an AK.

1. The sights are better.
2. The barrel is better, so with a better barrel will likely shoot more accurately than an AK
3. More modular. Can exchange the stock for a collapsible stock if desired.
4. Will accept a lovely FERO- Z scope, great optics at a favorable price point.
5. Will accept an registered autosear as a host rifle if that is something that appeals to you.

You raise some good points, but I think in some regards those advantages can largely be overcome.

1. The sights, there's a wide variety of replacement sights available for AK's, the cost of which, when added to the price of the AK would still be less than a PTR32.

2. In theory the PTR32 may be more accurate but I haven't seen much quantifiable evidence to suggest this is actually universally the case. Some of the higher-end AK's, such as the VEPR's, are significantly more accurate than something like typical WASR-10 and would hold their own against any 7.62x39 semi-auto out there.

3. The PTR does indeed allow for much easier changing out of the stock, but I've had a couple of such HK-style rifles and have found that once I found the stock I preferred, I never bothered to change it again and thus in the grand scheme of things didn't think it was so much different than driving out screws as one does when changing out AK stocks (there's quite a variety out there). If you only have to do it once, changing an AK stock isn't the least bit of a big deal. These kinds of things are admittedly a matter of individual preference, I am sure there are people out there to whom easily switching stocks back and forth is desirable and important.

Lastly, and perhaps more importantly, I seriously doubt that anybody on this board has a true need for any of these weapons, we buy them because we like them and they are fun to shoot... we gain satisfaction from learning a new system and putting rounds where we want them. I surely am not suggesting that you are a communist, nor do I find flaw in your analysis, but sometimes it just doesn't matter what price is. I see nothing wrong with the "I wanna's", and urge that since we are not a communist country where needs trump desires, let's get what we like!

I think here you're right, I am glad that we have the option to even choose from and I certainly understand the want to have something different, it seems like every one has an AK, or an AR, or SKS (or some combination thereof, I myself have one of each for example) and I once heavily considered a PTR32, kept coming back to it at the gun show table and all, but in the end just couldn't abide by a intermediate caliber rifle weighing in at 10+ pounds, especially for $900. If someone wants it, more power to them and I hope they like it and it makes them happy, I was merely explaining why I personally wouldn't choose it.
 
probably better off with the AK to be honest, more aftermarket, and currently PTR is the only company that currently makes an HK type rifle worth owning, with the little aftermarket there is, should anything happen to this country youre going to be in an even tougher spot.. but AKs will be around forever, heck many first world countries still use them as their standard issue rifle

but.. outside of the AK and SKS, my vote would be either a 556R, or the VZ58

reason why i suggest military semi automatics... well these are always the first to spike around new elections, the only ones really in any danger, bolt actions will be around forever
 
There are a lot more companies that make Hk type weapons than just PTR. There are tons of spare parts and after market support for them also. I'm not as sure about the ptr32 but there are billions of spare parts and magazines for the g3 out there. Pakistan is still making stuff for them, as well as a few other countries I believe.
 
the PTR-32 is based on the HK32 rifle, few if any of them were even built in real life.. was supposed to be an attempt at export marketed towards countries issuing AK and SKS rifles, as an alternative... but if any were even made it was so few, hard to say how many of the parts are actually compatible with G3 parts floating around

if PTR was smart theyd have used as many G3 parts as they could, the upper receiver is different, and shorter for the shorter magazines, so the carrier and bolt must be different as well.. the barrel obviously, so the muzzle device as well... is furniture compatible? or sights?.. if so, those would be about the only parts
 
Dliller, Pakistan makes LOTS of guns, some good, some absolutely dangerous Kyhber Pass junk, so the fact that they're making G3 mags in the same hut as Enfield clones doesn't inspire me with confidence. :)
 
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