7.62x25

Would a modern designed bonded bullet in a new designed gun be very effective today?

http://www.brassfetcher.com/Wolf 85gr Copper JHP.html
http://www.brassfetcher.com/hornady762x25mmJHPs.html

It penetrates deeper than some of the lighter 9mm JHP's, but isn't able to expand as much.

It's also much spicier than than the 85 grain .327 mag loads (the longer barrels help a lot), although the .327 mag can fire significantly heavier bullets.

Magazine capacity should be pretty close to a 9mm since the cartridge base diameters are about the same.
 
so maybe if speer made a gold dot a 90 grain 7.62x25 at 1900 fps

and glock or someone else made a pistol chambered for it.


It would be an awesome self defense gun.
Muzzle blast and flash would be truly spectacular. It would be awesome, but I'm not sure how practical it would be.
how many rounds would fit in a glock 17 size pistol?

20?
None. The round is too long. It's even too long to fit into the magazine of a 10mm Glock 20 and the 10mm is a much longer cartridge than the 9mm.

As kozak6 points out, assuming you could get somehow stretch a G17 magazine and grip front-to-back to accommodate the round, it would hold the same number of 7.62x25 rounds as it would hold in 9mm. The two cases at their largest diameter are only a few thousandths of an inch different.
 
IIRC it was the only handgun round to penetrate a standard GI kevlar helmet in the 'Box O'Truth' testing.

Just get a TT-33 or a CZ52 if you like it. Never fired either but I am guessing the CZ is a better pistol I got a hunch .

Actually I had a CZ52 and hated it. The Tokarev is much better in the ergonomics/comfort department.
 
Fairbairn, in his book, "Shooting to Live," said that if it was thought that the bad guys were using .30 Mauser pistols, which uses almost the same round, the police immediately went looking for bulletproof vests (ironically). He did believe that it wasn't as good as a larger caliber but was terrible if bones were hit. But he also said that the more he learned about stopping power, the less sure he was about it.

The .30 Tokarev is a pretty fierce round and I've always wondered if the Russians dropped it because it was hard on pistols. It is true that the AK largely made pistol caliber submachine guns obsolete, so there was no need to have a pistol caliber to use in a submachine gun, although that was still done with the replacement caliber, the 9mm Makarov. I have read that some thought was given to going back to the older caliber.

I believe that "manstopper" bullets were available for the .30 Mauser even before WWI when the Mauser C-96 was a fairly popular private purchase pistol among military officers.
 
Is there an existing modern pistol that you could have the barrel re chambered so it could fire a 7.62x25?

A 10mm should have the right magazine diminsions. You'd probably have to change the extractor in addition to the barrel.
 
RE: hollowpoint 7.62x25

Wolf actually makes a good JHP (looks almost like a JSP) for this round. Don't remember where I found the gel test results, but it expanded well, and penetrated to 14". I keep some handy for my CZ!
 
Ordered some Wolf for my CZ. I know tha the yugo surplus stuff I've got goes through cinder-blocks really well... And wet phonebooks! My CZ52 is one of the best shooting guns I've come across, and it cost me $140. A romanian Tok is next, but I still prefer the 52.
 
The 7.62x25 round has such good penetration because it has a steel jacket. One of these days I'm gonna pull some of the bullets and load them in .30 Carbine cases and see what they do at 1900+ fps (probably over 2000) from a Ruger Blackhawk.

The .30 Carbine cartridge is a much higher energy cartridge than the .30 Tokarev. Of course it has its own "issues" trying to use it in a handgun.

I have a TT-33 and a couple of spam-cans of ammo for it. It's a lot of fun, and really cheap to shoot. Just on principle I'd like to be able to reload for it, but at 9¢ a round for surplus ammo, that really doesn't make sense.
 
Chris- The TT-33 is better in your opinion. Hmm. They are both odd looking firearms, I figured the tokarevs quality would be lacking. Over CZ. Id like to fire them both, just to see what the round was like.
 
I had a chinese Tok, and just didn't like it. The safety was horrid and so was the trigger. It shot all over the paper at 15 yards. Other Toks I've shot are way better. It felt good in the hand. Now my CZ- imagine the muzzle blast and noise of a 357, but with very little recoil, and a damned good trigger for a 60+ year-old gun. They're cheap, get one or two of each, that's what I did.
 
A 10mm should have the right magazine diminsions. You'd probably have to change the extractor in addition to the barrel.

No. As stated several times before, 7.62x25 is significantly LONGER than 10mm or .45ACP thus not allowing for simple conversion.

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