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Super-Dave

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How effective was the 7.62x25 Tokarev?

Did the high velocity make up for its lack of its small bullet?

Would a modern designed bonded bullet in a new designed gun be very effective today?
 
It's funny that when talking about a handgun people think that a .30 cal bullet is too small, but when talking about a rifle it's a semitruck that will disembowel you.

The .30 Tok is a very potent round with excellent penetration and reliable stopping power. Hot SMG ammo is around 1500 FPS if I remember right, which compares well with the 7.62x39's 1900 FPS.

It is a much lighter bullet though, so velocity drops rapidly with range.
 
The 7.62 round in WW II wasn't particularly effective compared to the 9mm or the .45 ACP when fired from submachine guns.

One of the German nicknames for it was the "Russian Icepick." It was known for punching small holes completely through people that didn't bleed much and didn't tend to have a lot of disabling power.

What DID make it effective was the fact that the PPSh subgun fired close to 1,000 rounds a minute, and the PPS fired close to 800 a minute, making multiple hits on target pretty common. The small round, paired with the relatively heavy guns and rudimentary muzzle brakes also helped keep the bullets on target.

I've fired a PPSh and had no trouble keeping 5 and 10 round bursts well in the kill zone of a B-27 target at 10 yards. That's a lot harder to do with a Sten or a Thompson because muzzle climb is quite a bit greater.
 
"Most figures I've seen place the velocity for the 7.26x39 closer to 2300fps."

Off the top of my head, standard Soviet specifications for the 7.62x39 were 2350 fps, +- 15 fps.
 
Yea its a quick little projectile. Heres some quick stats I found.
Ballistic performance
Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
5.5 g (85 gr) JHP[2] 376 m/s (1,230 ft/s) 390 J (290 ft·lbf)
5.8 g (90 gr) FMJ[2] 409 m/s (1,340 ft/s) 488 J (360 ft·lbf)
5.5 g (85 gr) FMJ[3] 502 m/s (1,650 ft/s) 693 J (511 ft·lbf)
5.5 g (85 gr) FMJ[4] 525 m/s (1,720 ft/s) 760 J (560 ft·lbf)
5.5 g (85 gr) JHP[4] 510 m/s (1,700 ft/s) 715 J (527 ft·lbf)
Test barrel length: 120mm

It can punch through vests with FMJ's, or so I have heard. I think its a cool round,not my SD choice though. Still, wouldn't mind a Tok in my lifetime.
 
You will be interested in this S-D. I read an article a year or so ago compairing the penetration of the military surplus 7.62X25 ammo to the LE & military 5.7.
IT PENETRATED BODY ARMOR AS GOOD!! And then penetrated ballistic gel deeper than the 5.7. Please don't tell the press, or anti politicians.:eek:
I have been trying to find that article, can't remember in what magazine I read it. I want to be able to back up the claim with the 5.7 fans who may dispute it.
No luck yet, I read too many gun articles!
I have some ccech stuff that is steel core, copper jacketed. It's on stripper clips for the Cz26 sub-machinegun, and reported to be really hot at around 1600 fps. Chroney didn't work last trip to the range, so I don't have a reading.
 
i have posted this once before, but i'll say it again. the tok cartridge penetrates real good. i have some surplus romanian stuff. i've shot it through five 3x6's, and it stuck into the sixth. that's 12.5 inches of solid pine, all stacked tight to each other.
 
so maybe if speer made a gold dot a 90 grain 7.62x25 at 1900 fps

and glock or someone else made a pistol chambered for it.


It would be an awesome self defense gun.
 
I would probably buy one. I like this round as a specialized cool round and would love it in something other than the TT-33 platform. Even a GLOCK :barf:. How about an EEA Witness in 7.62x25. I would still take a 45ACP over this round anyday though. (Might make a "decent" SD round)
 
That might be about right Dave, off the top of the head. Id have to to some measurements I don't think are worth it to get exact. I would say a Glock 17 size pistol could hold 18-21 rounds not including the pipe. That is just an educated guess though. Remember a 9mm is 9x19 while that is well 7.62x25, the grip would have to be thicker, this would be a custom pistol.
 
and glock or someone else made a pistol chambered for it.
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Just a thought, but what if they just necked the 357 Sig down a little more?
Haven t really compared the case dimensions, but they might be close.
 
Hmmmmm. That is a very interesting thought cheapshooter, didn't occur to me. I always forget the 357 sig exists lol because it is not prolific in stores.
 
Is there an existing modern pistol that you could have the barrel re chambered so it could fire a 7.62x25?
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No. The reason is the length of the round. 7.62x25 is longer even than 45ACP or 38super so the magazine will not take the round. You can re-barrel but it will be essentially single shot pistol. There is plenty of surplus ammo that if there would be easy conversion for Glock20 everybody would be shooting it already
 
I was thinking that too. If there was a conversion I would of heard of it. It is a LONG and rifled round. That makes it a little difficult. Just get a TT-33 or a CZ52 if you like it. Never fired either but I am guessing the CZ is a better pistol I got a hunch ;).
 
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