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whats so bad about a 180 match bullet at over 2800fps in the 3006? when the often toted 308 only get 2600fps with the same bullet. its like the old 270 verses the 30-06 trick, 130gr spbt for the 270 and the 180gr round nose in the 3006. the 3006 may not be the best round for longe range shooting,but it will do the job with out to much fuss. eastbank.
 
Then you would recommend a 30-06 for those distances instead of a 7mm Rem mag or 300 Win mag?
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I would. Why buy a magnum when what the op already has will work. People have been shooting 1000 yards with the 30-06 for years. Is there better cartridges? Yes, you could buy a 50 BMG and blast away at 1000+ but why try to fix something that aint broke? If he REALLY wants a new gun then sure why not look at all his options but what I'm saying is dont overlook all the options, especially ones that have been used with success for years upon years.
 
Back in my younger days and still active duty Navy, I had the honor of scoring for Norma Zinmaster. We were shooting a any rifle, any sight match at 600 yards. Norma had a scoped '06 that didn't look like much but she fired a 200 12X. This was the first time I got to watch someone clean a target at 600. Norma was also one hell of a lady. I don't think she had a cross word for anybody.
 
It depends on what you're hunting, I wouldn't try to take an elk with a .223 at any range unless it was a survival situation, I stay with a minimum of a 25-06 for bigger game. (I prefer my 7mm Rem Mag for Elk)
Your specific question, the .308 or the 30-06...the 06 is going to kick harder and you have MANY options in .308. I would be comfortable with either of those at 800 yards if you buy a good quality rifle, plus you get the knockdown power at the longer distances.
.308 is a good choice, cheap to reload, you can find it everywhere and there are some very nice long range .308's kicking around that you can get for a very decent price.
 
How in the world the .30-06 is questionable to use for 600 meters is beyond me. It can take down any North American game even at 600 (not that I recommend taking down game at that distance) and take it down effectively. What in the world have they used at Camp Perry all these years? Trajectory like a rainbow? Anyone seen blackpowder matches? Flatter trajectory is beneficial, no doubt. But it can be calculated.

Alabama, if it were me, pick up a Savage. A .308 shouldn't be out of the question for it's basically the smaller sister of the .30-06.

ETA: This is on the subject for target use as well to clear the air.
 
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I thought he was talking about a target rifle.

If you are wanting to hunt game animals at 600 yards, don't. That subject has been truly beaten to death.
 
500 yards with my ruger m77 mark 2 .30-06 today
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Few details left out like what was your ammo and what was the wind half way to the target line and at the jugs, not your firing line and how were you holding your rifle. Bench, prone and sling, sand bags, ransom rest?????

I would kill those jugs with my .308 and 180 gr core-Lokt bullets, not a match load but accurate in my H&R handi-rifle. With my 300 Wby I'd probably have the same result as you did, same bullet, same twist rate but different gun and higher velocity.

I have two M77's in the house, a 7 MM Rem mag and a 30-06 both belonging to my brother. The 7 will shoot in the same hole after 5 shots have increased it to about .75" at 200 yards, the 30-06 will barely hold 4" at 100 yards. I doubt that it was the guns fault but the ammo I had available for his gun and I will reshoot it with different loads next time I take it out. It also has a 1/10 twist rate and the 150 gr bullets I was shooting in it didn't like that. 175 or 180 should work better. That is why I ask what ammo you are shooting.
 
Well now that you say 1000 for the gun then another grand for the scope ive got what you need. Id suggest a Kimber 84M 30-06 in whatever grade you desire, then top it with a Nikon Monarch 4x16 with turrets, that way your set for whatever range you want and you have a super accurate gun that will serve great for hunting as well as allow you to shoot long range. If you want to focus more just to long range id just have a custom built but then your looking more to 3000 grand so thats why I picked the Kimber
 
Old age must be setting in. I am getting really upset with people that can't take the time to buy or or lookup the ballistics that they proport to know something about. Go out and purchase the "Fourth Edition of Ammo & Ballistics for Hunters, Shooters, and Collectors." Then come back and spill your knowledge.

For a 150 grain Hornady SST 30-06 bullet drop at 600 yards is 75.6 inches. For a Remington 150 grain Core-Lokt Ultra Bonded 30-06 the drop at 600 yards is 87.7 inches. For a rifle zeroed at 200 yards.

Now shooting at low flying air planes to hit a target 600 yards out is "questionable".

First I doubt that your rifle scope has that many inches of adjustment. And Second, I doubt that you have purchased a 20 or 30 degree rail to insure that you are not shooting into the ground.
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Jim

I don't know about the "Fourth Edition of Ammo & Ballistics for Hunters, Shooters, and Collectors."

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I've studied ballistics for quite a while, and I'll say again; Anyone who says the 30-06 isn't capable of long range shooting is sadly mistaken.

It's a tad faster, and can use heavier bullets then the 308 which had shot some pretty good scores at 1000 yards.

I've taught Sniper Schools using the M1C/D (30-06) up to 1100 yards, I've shot 1000 yard matches using a M1 and a Model 70. They work. It doesn't take a lot to get a '06 round to 1000 yards. The loads I use are 175 SMKs loaded with 47 grns of 4895, not a heavy load.

My M1 200 yard zero is 11 clicks up, my 1000 yard zero is 48 clicks, thats a 37 MOA difference. Not unreasonable.

In a bolt gun, sighted in at 200 yards it drops 34.77 MOA.

In my 300 WM Bolt gun, using 200 grn SMKs sighted it at 200 yards it drops 30.21 at 1000 yards.

Thats a 4 MOA difference. That isn't that much. I contend one would loose that advantage via the difference in recoil of the two guns.

By the way, both my Bolt guns are Model 70s, using the same mounts and same scope.

I base this not only using various BC calculators, but 35 years shooting 1000 yard matches.

People have been using the '06 for over 100 years shooting at 1000 yards, just look at the iron sights on a 03 Springfield, 1917 Enfield, and M1.

I'm sorry you are getting upset, but reality is reality and that reality is the 30-06 is more then capable of shooting 1000 yards quite well, not to mention 600 yards. You don't need exotic rails and such.

The limiting factor of the '06 or any other round is the shooter not the round.

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Anyone seen blackpowder matches?
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I've shot Creedmore matches with a BP 45-70, 800, 900, & 1000 yards. Sighted in at 200, the path at 1000 is 1600 inches.

But you can at least have a sandwich while you're waiting for the bullet to get to the target.
 
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I've shot Creedmore matches with a BP 45-70, 800, 900, & 1000 yards
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My hat is off to you. I said it was questionable, times have changed as well as equipment and calibers. And as you know, that unless you shoot these distances on a regular basis, you will be hitting the ground more often than not. For a hunting rifle within 300 yards the 30-06 for the average shooter will work fine. But 600 yards??? A flatter shooting round would better serve someone that takes out their rifle once or twice or even four times a year.

30 years, I have 50 years, but it was mainly with pistol, rifle was just for hunting. Now it is mainly rifle shooting and my 30-06 has not been out for the last 6 years, times do change.

Jim
 
They have since I went to college, try helping your kids with their high school math and what is a Quark anyways, they only had electrons and protrons and neutrons when I went to school and Einstien was wrong, you can go faster than the speed of light, how?

Things change all the time, the question is can we.

Jim
 
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Mr. Stuart and a few others seem to know what they are talking about.

A few years back I shot milk jugs with boring regularity at 400 yards with a sporterized Springfield with a worn barrel. It had a tasco 3x9 40mm scope.

The load was 46.5 of IMR4895 and a Sierra 168 HPBT bullet seated .010" off of the lands. Shooting from a prone with a rolled up coat for a rest. The gun would shoot 1 3/8" MOA @ 100 yds.

Six months later without firing a highpower rifle I tried 20 shots and missed every time.

My conclusion: The 30:06 is more than capable at 600yds and longer,BUT you have to practice regularly or the skill perishes.

That Kimber with a decent glass would be great for what you desire.
 
I think i might just go with a .308 it looks like there are alot more options in that caliber. I dont want a magnum even if they drop less. If i range the target and adjust for the distance and wind it want matter if it drops 10 inches less or more either way im making an adjustment.
 
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