5 vs 1 in Akron, Ohio true story

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This happened yesterday in Akron, Ohio. Boy I only live 13 miles from there. It's downtown area but 1530 hours? My question is how would you handle? "empty your pockets" kinda makes you tip your hand, one has a gun, what if others do, my goodness, 5 vs 1, even for Chuck Norris and an Uzzi would be iffy. And the fact that it's 5 young "men", i'm begging to think that once you hit puberty put them in Adult coart.


" About 8:30 p.m. Monday, a 21-year-old Akron man told police that five kids had robbed him at gunpoint.

He was walking on East Exchange Street near Sumner Street when five juveniles on bicycles surrounded him. One boy asked the victim for change for a dollar. When the victim said that he didn't have any money, another boy pulled out a gun and ordered the man to empty his pockets. He did so and the boys pedaled away with his cell phone, bank card and driver's license.

Police were called. Officers saw several boys on bikes matching the descriptions of the robbers. They were arrested on South Main Street in front of Cascade Plaza, where officers recovered the victim's property.

All five are at the Summit County Juvenile Detention Center accused of aggravated robbery. Their ages range from 13 to 16. "
 
of course quarter backing never is easy and rarely done with all the facts.

if your old enough to point a gun and rob someone your old enough to die. as bad ass as these children think they are they would still cry for momma if you got ahold of them.

as for what i would do i hope i would be aware enough to not allow 5 of anything get near me. most dont see prepubessent teens as a threat but in a world where 10 year olds kidnap and kill toddlers we dont have the luxury of dismissing the threat based on age.
 
Part of me feels sorry for kids like that. The rest wants to beat their little asses. I would really hate to shoot a kid. But I guess if these little b_stards want to act like grown men we should treat them as such. I am deeply saddened and highly pissed at the same time. :( :mad:
 
This story has a good ending.
The good guy has his stuff and the little perps are in juvie.
Everyone goes home in one piece.
Even if he had a gun, this doesn't really sound like the right time to start shooting.
IMHO of course.
 
Wow, they keep getting younger.

From the stories I've read about a juvenile using a gun, the community tends to rally around the kids regardless of what they do to the victim. People tend to feel that the kid was never going to actually USE the gun, just for intimidation, so if they get shot for self defense...the extended family/friends turn into a verbal lynch mob.

I think this is where presenting your firearm would be prudent, not necessarily using it.
 
I was walking in downtown Cincinnati a couple of weeks ago, coming from a music festival in a park, when a pack of kids on bicycles, just like the one in this story, overtook me on the sidewalk and shot past me at high speed. One ran into my back, apologized and sped on. I never saw or heard them before they overtook me. I never thought of them as a threat, only a mild nuisance that an adult should tolerate. I guess I'm not alert enough.
 
It was the kids in 'Nam that sallied up to the GI's with a pin pulled grenade and just let loose of it, . . .

If I don't know the kid, . . . just someone else to watch.

May God bless,
Dwight
 
Even if he had a gun, this doesn't really sound like the right time to start shooting.
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I have been shot. The little guy points a gun at me and makes a threat, I will shoot without compunction.

Acting tough, outnumbering a victim, threatening a beating, intimidation by attitude... any of that sort of threat I will handle with a lesser amount of immediate force. However, I say again, a pointed gun and an expression or implication of willingness to shoot will cause me to shoot.

Pops
 
A Pointed Gun

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-In a situation such as described, a pointed gun IS "an expression or implication" of someone's willingness to shoot and should evoke the Pavlovian response of pulling your trigger until the "stop" signal sounds (slide locking open).

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I'm glad this guy wasn't armed. How could this incident have had a better outcome? Nobody was hurt, and I categorically reject the premise that it would have been better if the kids had been shot, which seems to be the position of some.

You guys are scary, and your attitudes will get the CCW laws changed as soon as the general population learns how bloodthirsty you are. It would be nice if on a public forum like this you at least pretend to be civilised. The last thing we need is for the face of gun ownership in america to be someone smiling like a psychopath over the body of a dead kid.
 
I really really dont understand why we consider these "kids" any different than adults anymore. These "kids" are being taught that the government owes them, and that we screwed them over, so they shouldnt think twice about "taking what is owed to them". I'm sick of hearing people try and water this stuff down because the perps were young.

It's like a dog who bites a little kid. You cant trust them, so what do you do? You put them down. People like this cannot be trusted. People have the right to be born into this world, but where they go from there is up to them. You have to EARN the right to keep on living. People like this prove that not everybody has earned that right. Put them down like a dog, its obvious that they are simply problems in the making. Once you pull a gun on someone, you surrender your right to live. I dont care if you are 12 or 75. If you point a gun at me with even semi-hostile intent, your skull gets ventilated.

What gets me most is that if and when someone sends these pieces of garbage to hell, their mothers will whine and cry about how good of a boy little Demetrius was, and how he didnt deserve to be killed like this. I've got news for you, your child is one of the many who have been brought up to leech off of the system and off of innocent people, and he died for it. Next thing we know, the CCW carrier is the villain, and once again, we lose.

We need to realize that kids arent kids anymore. It's sad, but they are just as capable as anyone else of committing violent crime. I think I'll print up some smaller targets next time I go to the range, I guess I need to prepare myself for this sort of thing.
 
Any deference due the lads because of their youth, was abrogated when the gun was drawn.
At that point, they became fair game. Once the gun is out, a prudent person has to figure they WILL use it, and take appropriate action.
Of course their grandma will cry, and say that Tyrone was such a good boy, and would never harm anyone...............

All this points out how important situational awareness is.

Feeling sorry for the kids will get you killed. Not thinking they will harm you will get you killed. While some of the sheep here feel that self defense is 'blood thirsty'...............its not.
 
Kids are immature. If one is pointing a gun at me, my guess is that the chances of him shooting me is much higher than the 30yr old who has been around the block a few times, to know what exactly happens if he shoots another and kills them.

I have no problem protecting my life. as far as that situation, if possible, I'd draw, take aim, and demand they back down, fire if I need to. If they rob me, then haul away, instantly draw my gun, and keep my eyes on all of them, incase they decide to come back and finish me off.

You can never be too safe, but things do happen.
 
This event happened in a different country than the US but is relevent none the less.

A couple of kids in the exact same age range broke into a persons house, broke into their firearms safe (solid steel) took his firearms then stole his car for a "joy ride". When police went to pull over the stolen car one of the kids opened fire on the police officers in the car. This is the sort of thing that people here used to say "only in america".

Whats my point? Well it's simple if it can happen here that a 15 year old will willingly open fire on the unarmed police then it sure as hell can happen there to any plain old citizen. If anyone or anything points a gun at you that clearly isn't made out of bright orange cheap plastic, then you shoot it. No if's or buts, unless your willing to go home in a body bag.
 
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I categorically reject the premise that it would have been better if the kids had been shot, which seems to be the position of some.
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No. Our position is that if anyone points a gun at you, their intent is clear and warrants whatever response another person is able to make.

How long do I trust that such a person is not going to try and kill me? Do I wait until after they pull the trigger?

I too, was in Vietnam. I too, have seen what a child with a grenade can do. Lost a good friend that way. The only difference is that here they use guns instead of grenades. The odds are now even.
 
Well said. It's sad, but once you have lived to see just what a child is capable of, then you begin to realize that ANYONE is capable of harming you. It shouldnt be this way but it is. I think I'll patent a "junior gangbanger" sized target, so shooters can practice double taps on a juvenile sized chest.
 
Awww don't shoot the kids

I manage a pawn shop in a run down , underpoliced neighborhood outside of Atlanta. I deal with little punk a$$ wanna-be gangbangers everyday. I let them know, I will kill them in the blink of an eye and go home and sleep like a baby. Quite a few of them go out and tell their friends not to mess w/the guys in the pawn shop. That is exactly what we want. We left the bullet holes in the walls from the shootout 13 years ago just for conversations like these. These are dangerous days my friends, my job is not to make loans or sell guns....it is to go home every night. I have absolutely no problem killing anyone who tries to deny me that.


attached is an article about the shop I work at. I was not working there at the time of the incident.
 

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I agree. Its about me and mine. Try and get in the way of that and you will die. Some people dont deserve to live, and while it isnt my place to decide such things, I certainly will if my life is in jeopardy.

I dont get the people who say that property isnt worth killing for. I worked my ass off for what I have, and just like the Pawn Shop guy said, I wont hesitate to kill you for it. You forfeit your right to live once you cross that line.

Dead gangbanger in my driveway with the glass broken out on my new car? "I heard a noise and came outside, officer. Thats when he reached in his pants real quick, so I shot. I sure thought he was going for a gun. I sure thought my life was in danger, officer. Sorry about the mess."

Thats the good thing about Texas. They almost always believe the shooter. :D
 
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