seeker_two
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Also helps if your carry snubby is an all-steel version (i.e. SP-101)....you can use the empty gun as a blunt instrument in hand-to-had if needed...
I live & work in a pretty safe area, & likely will never need to deal with actually having to shoot 3-4 bad guys anyway, so I currently don't carry a reload, because of the safe "type" area I live & work in...
If you live in a quiet safe place, where there’s no history of violent crimes involving many attackers, than maybe your snubby is fine for what you may end up facing realistically
agree that would be easier, but right now, if I were going to limit it to one gun, that would be the 5 shot 44... but I like to be able to switch up between 3-4 different guns, each better suited for different types of conditions... & while I hope to have the compact 9mm or the full sized 10mm strapped on, if I really had to engage multiple bad guys, I still feel I need to train for that situation with the gun I carry most often, as well...That way you only carry one gun, one sistem, makes things easier.
If I knew I was going to a fight I'd go somewhere else if possible. If not, I wouldn't pick any handgun as my first choice, I'd want a rifle or a shotgun.A snubby isn’t something you’d pick as your only gun if you knew you were going to a fight, you just carry it because it’s convenient.
And we are not talking about military or LE here, so I fail to see what tha has to do with anything. Until recently, most LE carried reolvers and would not use autos. Nothing has changed in the last 20 or 30 years to make the revolver less effective.First, military and law enforcement personal all around the world carry autos.
To me all this nonsense about caliber, volumes of fire and so on are just that, nonsense, in the context of the CCW world.I’m just saying that it’s not the best tool you could conceal in an IWB holster, and if you choose to go that way you should at least be honest with yourself about it.
I do think so. When the odds against you are 5 to 1, survival is not predicated on caliber or number of rounds available.I don’t think so. You have to be a pretty lucky guy to put down 5 guys with a 5 shot 38, specially a 38.
I think you are going to be pretty hard pressed to find instances of anybody killing 6 armed assailants, no matter haow many rounds they had. There are many instances of revolver-armed parties defeating multiple opponents. The point is that the win is rarely the function of the number of rounds in the gun.Show just what? People killing 6 guys with a 5 shot revolver?
Right. So the whole cliche business that you seem so fond of is fairly irrelevant to anything factual. And the 5-shooter goes far enough for most.They didn't have to complain david. Plenty of them just keep fighting after being shot. And that is why one keeps a-shooten. And the 5 shooter don't go so far.
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If I knew I was going to a fight I'd go somewhere else if possible. If not, I wouldn't pick any handgun as my first choice, I'd want a rifle or a shotgun.
Nothing has changed in the last 20 or 30 years to make the revolver less effective.
To me all this nonsense about caliber, volumes of fire and so on are just that, nonsense, in the context of the CCW world.
When one attempts to set up a situation to prove a specific point, it is easy to do so. However, getting something realistic is a bit harder to do. If I've got a choice, there is no need for concealement. Also, if I have to go out a door into a fight the gun I've got with me is the least of my worries. But given your comepletely artificial and contrived setup---It Doesn't Matter. I'm as comfortable (or uncomfortable) with a 5 shot snub, a 6 shot K-frame .357, an 8 shot 1911, a 9-shot Sig, an 18 shot Glock, or anything comparable. When I kicked doors for a living I chose to do it with an S&W Model 65 as my handgun. Maybe that is the difference between us--you want to worry about something that will never happen and make your choice based on the most unlikely events. I, along with many others, choose to respond based on more realistic situations.If you had no other choice but to go out that door and into a gunfight. Which handgun ( again, handgun, shotguns can’t be carried all day concealed) you can only use a handgun and there’s no avoiding the fight, which one would you choose?
But that in no way changes the fact that the revolver will do the job just fine, as it has for a long time. You seem to think that capacity somehow makes you a better fighter or will change a bad situation to a good one. It doesn't.Well, something has changed. You now have reliable weapons with excellent stopping power that have 3 times more capacity.
That will take care of most CCW needs. It's not my choice, as there are .22 autos that conceal just as well, but I've carried a High Standard .22 derringer in the past and didn't feel particularly worried.Carry a 22LR derringer?
A nice story with little value for your position, as it appears he solved the problem with 1 shot, and then they ran away. Looks like a 5-shot snub would have worked out fine for this incident. I can give you one where a .22 derringer was used to stop the BG. Will you learn from that???Read and learn from other's mistakes.
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When one attempts to set up a situation to prove a specific point, it is easy to do so. However, getting something realistic is a bit harder to do.
If I've got a choice, there is no need for concealment.
you want to worry about something that will never happen and make your choice based on the most unlikely events.
I, along with many others, choose to respond based on more realistic situations.
You seem to think that capacity somehow makes you a better fighter or will change a bad situation to a good one. It doesn't.
A nice story with little value for your position, as it appears he solved the problem with 1 shot, and then they ran away. Looks like a 5-shot snub would have worked out fine for this incident. I can give you one where a .22 derringer was used to stop the BG. Will you learn from that???
That will take care of most CCW needs.
Dyslexics untie!!!!This is one of concealed carry scared cows.
Speak for yourself.Realistically the likelihood is extremely slight that any of us will ever be required to fire a shot in self defense.
Personally I always wear the seat belt ( saved my life a couple times) dont drink, except for a beer with friends in the odd reunion every now and then. May go months without drinking a single glass of alcohol. No drugs or cheating my wife either.How many people who obsess about what to do in a never to exist gunfight drive without seatbelts, while drinking or too fast for conditions, involve themselves with the drug scene or the neighbors wife, etc. etc
Like people worrying about zombies when they ignore that the gut they have hanging or the cheeseburger they are eating is 10000x more likely to kill him in the end?. There are lots of more productive ways to assure one''s safety and continued good health.
OK, maybe not, but in all the years of research on this issue I've not run across any CCW situation where somebody had to go out the door to get into a gunfight. Seems pretty unrealistic to me.You try to deny something that is just too obvious.
There’s nothing unrealistic about the situation I’m talking.
You need to make up your mind. Either we are walking around in the city or we are in a house. Very different situation.You don’t, in most ½ way civilized places of the world, civilians walking around cities and towns don’t carry openly, not all the time.
And every single day it is prevented by folks with snubs and not prevented by folks with hi-cap autos. The gun is not going to determine what happens.Kidnappings? People getting attacked by several criminals working together? David: IT HAPPENS EVERY SINGLE DAY.
And you hear him also. He didn't need a hi-cap auto loader to solve his problem. Again, I prefer to deal with what is instead of what may be.Hear carefully to what the old man says in the video clip, he says he’ll have something else to deal with the rats if the come back after him.
My door kicking experience has little or no bearing on CCW. And yes, for our purposes, a 2-shot 22 will handle most of the DGU issues. Your problems in your country may be different and thus suggest different solutions.According to your door kicking experience a 22 LR derringer will take care of most CCW needs?
You seem to forget what the thread is. It is not "what gun is best for fighting off hordes of bandits in 3rd World countries." A poster asked a question, some of us have tried to address that instead of delving off into issues that are of little or no relevance to that.Yes, but you seem to forget what forum you are in. It's called "Tactics and Training".
There's something called concealed carry... maybe you heard about it.You need to make up your mind. Either we are walking around in the city or we are in a house. Very different situation.
You seem to forget what the thread is. It is not "what gun is best for fighting off hordes of bandits in 3rd World countries." A poster asked a question, some of us have tried to address that instead of delving off into issues that are of little or no relevance to that.
And every single day it is prevented by folks with snubs and not prevented by folks with hi-cap autos. The gun is not going to determine what happens.
. And yes, for our purposes, a 2-shot 22 will handle most of the DGU issues.
I stand corrected. Suggesting a 22 LR derringer for self defense. Now that's the most outrageous advice I've read in a gun related forum.
As far as I know - and I know the literature and experts quite well - the rate of success of such guns is very, very high and if there is a significant different in DGU success by caliber for civilians - it's not out there and the experts don't know it.
Here you go for a case. http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dw....bfc57dff.html