5.56 replacement

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Nothing personal Mogog, but I would replace it in a heart beat. 10 years for a war we can not win, over 5,000 soldiers dead and how many wounded?? And having to sneak out with our tails between our legs. And how much money has this cost the US??
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And this is the M16's fault how?
 
I saw the cassless tested 12 years ago at Stennis space center in MS on the range. The guys I talk to were not having any problems with it. Personally I like the 300 whisper, It has performed wonderfully for me. but like always to each his on.
 
It's a nice 22 bullet, I have 2 AR's and it is a nice varmint round just not heavy enough IMHO for serious wet work. Yes it works, but losses too much punch at long range.
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That has nothing to do with your previous post and a poor assessment of the capability of the cartridge based on nothing. I would add that more than 100,000 Iraqis, Iranians, Syrians, Jordanians and Sauds would disagree with you and agree with me.

If they could.
 
I would add that more than 100,000 Iraqis, Iranians, Syrians, Jordanians and Sauds would disagree with you and agree with me.
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What??? They don't use the 5.56. If your talking about them being shot with it, I think your after action reports are way off. Reminds me of VN and General Westmoreland's BS. Are you counting ears?

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How many of those people were actually killed by small arms fire, as opposed to IUDs, suicide bombers, and air strikes?
 
Talk to a Marine, they tell you they know how to shot, and shot place means everything.

I think it comes down to mastering your weapon and being the best killing machine possible with it, and stop looking for cheap excuses why you cant kill the enemy.
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Agree to a point... I am a Marine. Afghan Vet. When they weren't juicing on medicinal Adrenaline, one or two shots would take them down. When they were juicing, you had to hit bone... and that's with 7.62 as well.

Our training adapted after our initial visit to Afghanistan. "Field fire" was changed to teach us one shot in the pelvis, one shot in the chest/head.

The Marine IS the weapon... the rifle is just a tool.
 
And I would add that if you want to talk about the REAL controversial cartridge... Let's talk about the 9mm for military use.

Switching from the 1911 was a mistake. Seen 3 shots to the chest do nothing to deter an attack.

My buddy's unit was part of the test phase of the Springfield XD/XM? and S&W M&P's for the replacement contract that was again, mistakingly awarded to Beretta.
 
Do pistols really see any combat action? Aren't they last ditch weapons worn by people who are not generally expected to see combat just in case they need to defend themselves?
In the grand scheme of things, our officers could wear Browning Buckmarks and it would make no significant difference in our wars.
 
Do pistols really see any combat action?
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In three years I used mine once. That was because I had not planned on needing a weapon (and did not have my rifle) but it turned out I did (and had my pistol, because you got to have something).

Funny that.

I really missed having the rifle that day.
 
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Do pistols really see any combat action? Aren't they last ditch weapons worn by people who are not generally expected to see combat just in case they need to defend themselves?
In the grand scheme of things, our officers could wear Browning Buckmarks and it would make no significant difference in our wars.
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I agree completely B.L.E.

Pistols have been little more than badges of rank and authority for nearly a century. They went out of use as serious combat tools with horse cavalry and the saber.
 
Pistols are good for light CQB work... but not in 9mm
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M4s are better. But also not in 9mm. I am thinking a light round that has great stopping capability at close range. How about 5.56?
 
I believe the 5.56 round will certainly be with us for a long time. You want to make it more lethal, simply put on a barrel in which the round is not fully stabilized and watch what it does when it hits something. As to lead from bullets in the environment, it's all total BS. Where do you think it comes from in the first place? It is a rather common metal. The whole thing started as a scheme to separate us from our guns.
 
After the civil war they figure that between 250 and three hundred pounds of bullets and canon ball was fired for every casualty.
The answer of course was to develop a rifle that fired 275 pound bullets.
Never got off the ground though.
 
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