460 owners step in.

TennJed

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I currently have a couple of Ruger’s in 45 Colt and reload for them. My father in law has a Redhawk 454 Casull and i have been wanting one for a while.

Now i am interested in something in 460 s&w. The 3 caliber option intrigues me. I know i can google info but i was interested in hearing from anyone here that has expirience in them.

I know that Freedom Arms, S&w, and magnum research make revolvers in them. Does anyone else make them? Do you see much decrease in accuracy between the calibers?

Anybody reload the 460? How hard is it to find brass and lead?

Bggest question i have is, how much difference in recoil do you see between the 454 vs 460?

thanks!
 
Haha, I just got back from the range with my new 460! First time I shot it. Here's the thread.
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=481773

Let me know if there is anything else you want to know after you get through it.

Finding bullets isn't hard. The 460 basically fires the same bullets that the 454 uses. Most any gun store that carries reloading equipment will have a variety. You won't ever find brass laying around at the range though. I ordered my brass through Midway USA. It was 30 some dollars for 50 pieces. That's more than enough to work with for me.
 
I had one and loved it, although it was just too much gun for my neck of the woods. I reloaded them as well, brass for the .460 is a little pricy I know you can get starline brass pretty cheap for it and I have heard it is good quality. I had mine in a S&W XVR and it was very accurate, It would dance a pop can around at 50 yards all day long with ease. Make sure that when you reload you use a magnum bullet because of the thicker jacket, I used Hornady 240 grain XTP mags and they worked awesome! Good luck you wont regret the .460 cause it is indeed a BA MOFO.
 
I have a .460S&W and my son reloads for me. I've not bought virgin brass, I bought enough factory loads to create an inventory....as I use up brass (pretty slowly in .460) I'll replace with factory loads. I find, though, that it gets most of its range time in .454 Casull. The recoil is very manageable in the big X frame.
 
Why, do you own one?

No, but I'd like to. I'm on a couple of other forums that are heavy with users that are into that kind of stuff. By taking a round that is normally shot through a 6" to 8" revolver barrel and putting it through a 12" or 15" closed-breech barrel, you get a pretty decent bump in velocity.
 
Walklightly, I just did some searching on my other forums to get some velocity figures. .460 with a 200grn factory load generally does around 2300fps out of a standard 8 3/8" S&W revolver. That same round out of a 15" Encore is pushing 2800fps.
 
In response to your primary question - No, the recoil is not significantly stronger from .460 as compared to .454 Casull. I load all 3 cartridges for my S&W .460XVR with 8-3/8" barrel. The .45LC, however, feel kind of like .22LR in that big of a gun. I get very good accuracy from all 3.
 
Walklightly, I just did some searching on my other forums to get some velocity figures. .460 with a 200grn factory load generally does around 2300fps out of a standard 8 3/8" S&W revolver. That same round out of a 15" Encore is pushing 2800fps.

I'm not saying it would be a waste of money, but if I had money (win the lottery) to waste, I might consider getting one.

I have handguns for SD/HD that's why I only have 12, including a Ruger RH 44mag in Vegas for those cougar's (****'s).:D If I got the encore, somebody might think I'm a gun collector.:eek:
 
Walklightly, I think it is too late. You already meet my definition of a collector. As an interesting side note as to why someone would want a .460 with that much velocity, there was a comment on one of the forums about a special elk hunting area. I don't remember where, but it was somewhere in the intermountain west. The area was restricted to certain weapons - among them were muzzleloaders and handguns using only straight-walled cartridges. A 2700+fps 200grn bullet would make a dandy elk round out beyond 200 yds.
 
I want an Encore barrel in 460SW, seems to me to be the best big bore hunting pistol out there. I can shoot some light 45 COlt all the way up to some really heavy and pretty fast 460 rounds. Looking at the 500 SW the lighter rounds won't work b/c the bullet gets so short. For deer hunting I will be able to shoot some relatively light 460 rounds(220-250) at blazing fast speeds that will really extend my range beyond 357 mag or even 44 mag.

The problem is...
By all accounts the factory TC Encore barrels are terrible. They use the wrong twist rate(45 Colt blanks). The accuracy comes nowhere close to their 1 MOA guarantee. So, you pretty much have to buy custom third party, which is pricey. The MGM barrels are really nice though.
 
How would it do on Whitetails @ 150-200yds ?. Scoped and six rounds to launch, have had wounderfull accuracies with XTP'S in .240gr out of my Ruger .44mag. carbine up to 100yds. Would this Revolver, S&W .460 with the right barrell length, and proper bullet weight, and FPS. do the job out to those distances ?? If sooo, I've got some homework to do, and smoozzing the wiffie, as in Golf, you need a diffrent firearm for each occaision :D, thanks for the time and looking foreward to more postings, be safe/ be wise...><>..EK-OUT ! :)
 
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Please do not read any meaning into what I am about to say, just take it exactly as it is presented.

While the long cylinder Smith and Wesson cartridges (both the .460 and the .500) are tremendously powerful, here are a few things to bear in mind.

The .454 Casull can and has taken the largest game animals on the planet and done it humanely. The limiting factors are shooter ability and bullet construction. Keep in mind that .45 caliber pistol bullets, particularly lighter weight hollow point types, are not designed to perform at the velocities that the .460 is capable of. This can lead to explosive expansion and fragmentation, resulting in shallow penetration.

When hunting large, tough animals, a non-expanding bullet is often the better route to take. While the .460 will still drive any given bullet weight to higher velocities than the .454, this is of limited value. You wold be hard pressed to show that a through and through wound from a .460 differs to any appreciable degree for the same wound from a .454. The .454, and even a stoutly loaded .45 Colt will shoot all the way through the majority of game animals on North America, and deliver clean kills with proper bullet selection and placement.

As I stated earlier, the .460 does indeed outpace the .454, but how much advantage is this? Inside of the ranges that an average shooter is capable of engaging game animals humanely, the .460 will shoot flatter. This does make longer shots a little bit easier. There are some pitfalls to this as well though. because the path of a bullet in flight is a parabolic arc, as the target gets farther away, the amount of compensation for bullet drop increases at a much faster rate. You must not only know exactly how far away the target is, but how much drop your bullet will have at that range. You can use all the latest computer programs to calculate this that you want to, but unless you have a chronograph, and spend time on the range verifying computer predictions, all you are doing is guessing. Keep in mind that atmospheric conditions will alter performance also. Testing in the summer in the Midwest is of little use when trying to make long shots in the mountains during winter conditions.

Now consider the size of the guns available chambered in .460 S&W. All of them are large frames to accommodate the long cylinder. Most of them have barrels of at least 7 1/2". Weights seem to range from about four pounds to nearly seven pounds. Add a scope to it and you gain another pound or so. You are at or near the weight, maybe even exceeding that of a Marlin rifle chambered in .450 Marlin (S&W lists the weight of the .460XVR as 82.5 oz. or 6 7/8lbs. Marlin lists the weight of the 1895M as 7lbs on their websites).

As for the ability to shoot three types of ammo, I'm not particularly a fan of this practice in guns that will accommodate it. Using shorter cartridges can cause buildup at the in front of the case that can lead to a variety of problems. The most noticeable is not being able to chamber longer rounds without first giving the gun a good cleaning. A more serious problem, because it can go unseen until the damage is done, is that it can cause pressure spikes due to the seating of a longer cartridge against this buildup. Granted, people have been doing this for years with .357 and .44 mags, but bear in mind that these cartridges operate at much lower pressure than the .460s 60,000psi. A pressure spike at these levels can be catastrophic. Don't take my word for it though, call Freedom Arms and ask why they do not recommend this practice in their guns.

The last item that I will address, in this ridiculously long post, is recoil. Recoil with the big boomers is severe. Anything in the performance range of .44 mag and up generates enough recoil to cause physical damage to your body over a long period of years shooting heavy loads. Wrists and elbows are particularly susceptible to this damage. Increase the recoil, and you increase the potential damage. Once again, don't take my word for it. Go over to Singleactions.com or the Gary Reeder forums and ask John Taffin about this. If you don't know who John Taffin is, how dare you call yourself a handgunner?! :D

As I said at the beginning of this post, please do not read something into this post that is not there. None of this is meant to talk you out of purchasing a 460, or to demean the cartridge in any way. It is only presented with the goal of providing thoughts that may help you make a well informed decision. The 460 is an awesome powerhouse with performance to spare. If it tickles your fancy, by all means, go out and grab one up!

JW
 
I had an early .454 SRH that wouldn't shoot .45colt worth a darn. Hopefully that was a fluke or they have it figured out now, but mine was pretty useless with the shorter cartridge.
 
Flyboy I get confused by some things you wrote.

the .460 will shoot flatter. This does make longer shots a little bit easier. There are some pitfalls to this as well though. because the path of a bullet in flight is a parabolic arc, as the target gets farther away, the amount of compensation for bullet drop increases at a much faster rate.
How does the high velocity of 460 work against a shooter in this scenario? At every point in the arc there will be less compensation than for a 454 or 45. This is the main reason I am looking at one.

Now consider the size of the guns available chambered in .460 S&W.
I agree. The 460 seems to be perfect for an Encore gun though.

You have a goopd point about the multiple cartricdges in the gun. If I ever get my encore together i will b more careful b/c of your post. That being said, a slightly turned out 357 case always cleaned up my GP100 chambers nicely(recommended to me here a few years back). Cleaning the chambers isn't that big of a deal, especially in an encore where there is only one.
 
John, I appoligize for not being clear in what I wrote. The velocity does not work against the shooter, however, it does not relieve the shooter of having to know how his load will perform at any given distance. In all honesty, flatter shooting is of little benefit if you do not know the exact distance to the target and how much drop your bullet will have at that distance. It is no more difficult to make a long shot with a slow moving bullet than it is with a fast moving bullet at any given range. This is because all bullets experience drop and wind deflection. No matter how fast your bullet is traveling, these factors must be accounted for. To be able to account for them, you must KNOW how your load performs. Just knowing that it shoots flatter is of no benefit without knowing the numbers.

Fast, flat shooting cartridges can easily lull a shooter into thinking that they can make a given shot without having the knowledge required. While there is an advantage to speed, it cannot replace this knowledge.

I shoot a lot of big bore revolvers at distances out to and beyond 400 yards(mostly at steel gongs) Most of my loads are a fairly pedestrian velocities with heavy weight bullets. Trust me, hits with lighter bullets at higher velocities do not make it any easier.

Jw
 
Fast, flat shooting cartridges can easily lull a shooter into thinking that they can make a given shot without having the knowledge required. While there is an advantage to speed, it cannot replace this knowledge.
As evidenced by S&W's ill-fated "200yd club". I'm sorry but very few handgunners have any business shooting big game beyond 100yds.
 
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