.45ACP or 10mm

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As some of you already know, if you've read enough of my posts, I have an obsession with alligators especially since one made it's way into my backyard and tried to eat my little one several months ago. I've been relying on a Para-Ordnance P14-45 in case any gators come within striking distance again but I've been reading some past trends (on the 10mm) and I was wondering if I might be better off with a 10mm against the alligators. Also, do I understand correctly that a 10mm kicks more than a .45ACP?
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Yes you do understand correctly. It kicks way worse than a 45 acp. I would mark it up there with a 357. Personally. But then I do everything possible to minimze kick in my guns. I don't see anything wrong with the 45. You would definatly get more penitration with the 10mm. But if that is your consern, you could get the conversion for the 45 to use the necked down load for the 45. I don't know what it is called, and have not looked for it, but basically they necked down a 45 and put in the 40 bullet. Popular trend I guess if you look at the 357 sig. Or just use the +p corbons. I am confident the p14 will handle any load you put in it.
 
FUD,

Yes, the 10mm definitely kicks more than the .45 unless you have it loaded way down and the .45 loaded hot. In fact with my Delta Elite it kicked the brass so hard that they busted right through the brass catcher.

I've read that the 10mm has been used succesfully in hog hunting and has been said to penetrate better than the .45 Of course that opens up the old "stopping power" debate. The 10mm was originally developed to replace the .45 with more stopping power. Several ratings put it right there with the .41 magnum.
 
I have a Glock 29 and a Glock 30 as an apples to apples comparison, I'd say the muzzle flip is a bit more with the 10 but not drastically so. Muzzle flash is quite a bit more, but these are relatively short barreled guns. The flash seems less with my 20, but then I have an extended length barrel in it.

The round Andrewh is talking about is the .400 Cor-bon and it is a very simple conversion. Just a barrel and perhaps a spring. An economical solution to your query IMHO.


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Like what Addabeer said, why dont you try the 400corbon? how does that compare to the 10mm? Take a look. that p14 is a very good gun as it is.

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Okay, so am I better off with a .400 Cor-Bon, a 10mm or a .45ACP (against 4 legged creatures)?
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You might want to check out Cor-Bon's web site for the specs on the .400 C-B. Peace of mind may be just a barrel change away.
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I have a glock 29, and I barely notice the recoil shooting fed 180 gr hyrdoshocks. I haven't shot the win st's yet, and would assume they have a little more punch.

I will take the 10mm any day over the 45.
 
As far as power delivered, I believe it is a wash between the .400 and the 10mm. Both would probably serve you better against the thick skinned walking luggage than the .45. As an added bonus with the .400, it is generally believed that bottlenecked cartridges feed better, so there should be more reliablity. If you go with the .400, the question then becomes, can you live without your Para while the barrel is fit? Or can you fit the barrel yourself?

Or maybe a .45 Super? Kidding. The water is already muddy enough.
 
A 45acp and 10mm are apples and oranges. Ten Millimeter should be compared more to 45 Super , 40 Super and 400 Corbon. Those four cartridges are all about equal in the power department, its hair splitting to think differently. Now, to chose between those four, everything is going to depend on what you have and what you wish to do. If you are going to convert a personal gun, you have to see what exactly is available. A particular conversion my not be available for your gun. Other considerations are what supplies are in your area and at what cost. If you reload, do you want to bother with necked down cartridges or not.

If you ask me, I would get what my parents turned me on to on my sixteenth birthday. A 41Magnum. Why get a imitation cartridge when you can have the real deal. And, from 13 years experience in the swamps of South Florida, swamp water is very unkind to automatic pistols. Get a wheel gun. Again, why settle for a imitation woods gun when you can have the real deal.

Robert
 
Horse Hockey!! I own weapons chambered in both these calibers and felt recoil is no worse in my 10mm [glock] than it is with my 45. [para]

Ballistically speaking, 10mm develops more fps & fpe [at muzzel] with similiar bullet weights than 95% of 45acp factory loads. If you choose to HANDLOAD the 10mm it really starts to shine.. :) It is a really flat shooting handgun round with plenty of penatration with bullets made for that porpose.

I chose my Glock for on duty carry, several reasons and my Para for personal carry. I shoot only factory loadings thru my Glock for liability reasons and warranty too. [Winchester SilverTips - 175 grain slugs].

For gators i would use either a 10mm or 45 both would dispatch critters of this type, WITH PROPER BULLET PLACEMENT - equally well. I prefer light weight slugs [of good design] traveling at max fps. If hunting were the main goal or deep penatration is required, a hunting type bullet is called for. either or... choose well weedhopper.... :)
 
Why dont you just get a heavier recoil spring and shoot .45 Super? A Para should be able to handle it. I remember an article online that discussed building up a 1911A1 to handle it, and what it came down to was a heavier spring and a heavy-duty extractor and ejector.
 
Doesn't one also need a more fully supported barrel with the .45 Super?

I can't complain about the recoil from my Glock 20. It's about equal to a .45 in a 1911.
 
More of a job for a guide gun like the Marlin or at the very least a 30-30 I would have thought. If you're into handguns for the job though, forget autopistols and get a .44 Magnum in stainless (because of that humidity).

The 10mm, 400 corbon and 45 super rate from the mid to high 600's in muzzle energy, the good old .44 is in the 900's, big difference. If it HAD to be an auto I think the Glock in .45 Super pushing a 185 gr bullet at 1300 fps is pretty awesome and would certainly be capable of turning gator into luggage,

Mike H
 
I have a Glock 21(45) and a Glock 29(10mm). Different size platforms to be sure but the 10mm is a substantially more energetic cartridge and is shows up in the recoil. It makes a big boom and rocks back in your hand but it does not abuse you like, say, a 357 snubby or a 44mag with book+ hunting loads. In terms of overall all shootability I would say that the 29 is slightly more shootable that the G33 (subcompact 357sig); the recoil is harder but slower, with less flash and noise.

With respect to the bottle neck conversions, I havent heard much about P14 conversions but I have read (on GT) that the G21s can be finicky about individual magazines. It might be worth the dollars to have a gunsmith do the conversion for you.

I went with 10mm because straight wall is easier to reload, and with a PDW weapon where you are loading and unloading a lot but not shooting so much, bullet setback in the bottlenecks can be a big issue. For your purposes you should consider that the variety of commercially available ammo in 10mm dwarfs the bottle neck offerings.
 
FUD,

I know you're asking a question about the 45 and the 10 mm, but if you're seriously contemplating the issue for future protection against gators, a shotgun with buckshot and slugs is the way to go.

However, maybe you're only talking about a firearm & caliber that you can use as a carry gun? In that case, the 10mm would be my choice (vs. 45 acp) for a handgun caliber against gators--NO QUESTION!
 
The typical 1911 has no more case support than the .45ACP Glock pistol stock barrel. I have a pair of 1911's, and a pair of .45ACP Glocks, so I'm in a good position to check. :)
 
Don't know how many of you folks actually live in the neighborhood with gators, but I can attest that I see them just about every time that I take my boat out. The alligator hunters whom I know did all right against gators with a plain ol' 22 l.r. I have no doubts that a .45 or any of the other calibers mentioned would do a job on a gator. Alligators typically don't attack humans. They make every effort to avoid us. I suppose they would take advantage of a small child that happened to look like dinner.

As far as the .400 Cor-Bon feeding out of Para's, only if you don't use a double-stack mag. I've shot thousands of rounds of .400 Cor-bon through my Glocks, but I absolutely, positively have to use the 10-rd. Klintonista G21 mag for reliable feeding.

I've also done some shooting with .40 Super out of my G21. Muzzle energy for the 135 gr. Triton factory load is in excess of 900 ft./lbs. As a matter of fact, I just looked at my box of .40 Supers, and it's 971 ft.lbs. So, how does that compare to your 10mm??? :)
 
I would suggest to just convert your Para-Ordnance to .40 Super, unless you want to buy another gun. Wanted to respond to a few posts here. Not trying to flame just observations. Anyway, Glocks will take anything a swamp can throw at them. Better than any revolver, any day. Reasons: tenifer treated parts will not rust-period. Glocks are nearly utterly reliable, couldn't make mine jam. A revolver if you happen to drop one, for example, can knock the cylinder out of whack. Next time you shoot it, big surprise, and possible injury. As for double stacks, and feeding bottlenecks, this is the deal: a Glock post-ban mag is just as double stacked as a pre-ban. Like I said, not trying to flame, just observations.

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