454 or 460: Your preference for big game?

A couple of points to consider, particularly about the size and weight...

The Ruger 454 Casull Talo in 5" barrel is 47 ozs.

The S&W 460V with 4" barrel is 60.9 ozs.


Back in 78 (the first book I picked up with the info in it) the weight of a S&W Model 29 (6.5") is 47 ounces. The weight of a Ruger Super Blackhawk (7.5") is 48 ounces.

These guns were, once upon a time, considered big heavy handguns. And, they are. But the .454 and .460 take things to another level.

60.9 ounces for a FOUR INCH revolver? That is heavy. Although I don't know why anyone would deliberately choose such a powerful cartridge, and then chop it off at the knees, so to speak.

The monster magnums, the hand cannons are big and heavy, and intended to replace a carbine. In that, they succeed rather well. As a handgun, worn like the smaller, more traditional handguns, (as backup to a rifle) they don't do as well, being overly large and overly heavy, even with shorter barrels.

We have come a long way in my lifetime, from the .44 Magnum being the king of revolvers, powerwise, to it being the bottom level of the really big stuff today. It amuses me to see someone referring to the .454 Casull as "medium power".

A five pounds plus revolver (the big Smith, long barrel & scope) even too big to be worn on the hip is still a lighter handier (shorter) package than a 7lb carbine. And with a decent holster, you still have both hands free when moving around (climbing etc.,) unlike a rifle that has to be held all the time. (yes, I know all about slings, and a slung rifle is still a more awkward object than a large handgun in a good holster set up.

And, the monster magnum .454, .460, etc., can actually out perform, ballistically, some common carbine (rifle) rounds.

So being as there is no free lunch, what is most important for your use? A hand cannon small enough to still be "packable"? RECOIL!!!!
A hand cannon as the primary arm, replacing the hunting rifle? That's a different situation. Bigger, heavier, taming the recoil some, but not quite as light a burden to carry.

And just for comparison, a Desert Eagle .44 Magnum (6") weighs 4.25lbs empty. That's 68 ounces, if I figure it right, and then add 9 rnds of .44Mag ammo, and you're up there around 5lbs, or close enough not to matter much...
 
I'd choose 45 Colt, with medium warm loads... I'd not want to shoot a 460, or 454 without hearing protection... ( & I love big bores ) even if all it took was one shot from a 460 or 500 S&W, that one shot will permanently damage your hearing, without good hearing protection... even if you feel fine... every time you pull the trigger, your hearing goes... maybe in big portions or small...

a stout load in 45 Colt gives me plenty of power, & much less noise than the others...

don't get me wrong, I have an Alaskan in 454, for bear country... I'd rather need a hearing aid, than be exited out the south end of a north bound grizzly... but for hunting, where I'm hoping to pull the trigger, I prefer a heavy bullet & a little less concussion ;)
 
Magnum Wheel Man I'd choose 45 Colt, with medium warm loads... I'd not want to shoot a 460, or 454 without hearing protection... ( & I love big bores ) even if all it took was one shot from a 460 or 500 S&W, that one shot will permanently damage your hearing, without good hearing protection... even if you feel fine... every time you pull the trigger, your hearing goes... maybe in big portions or small...


Anyone that hunts deer with a handgun and believes that their firearm is not damaging their ears everytime they take a shot in the woods is fooling themselves. Unlike a SD/HD scenario, we all believe we are going to take at least one shot during the hunting season, so we know if we take it without some form of hearing protection, we are going to damage our hearing. The .45 Colt might not hurt like the .460, but it still is doing damage without protection. I hunt deer with .357. 44 and .460 revolvers and wear hearing protection with all of them.
 
BUCK... no argument from me there... I just haven't made either the investment in a "game ear" type hearing protection, or gotten in the "habit" of wearing ear muffs in the woods hunting... I'm sure there of tons "old hunters" out there like me... that should start wearing hearing protection :o
 
YES, wear hearing protection!! MY hunting buddy was using my 454 SRH standing right next to me. He fired a full magnum load at a hog thinking I had ear plugs in both ears. He was to my left about three feet away. My left ear plug did not have a plug in it. My left ear is still ringing and I have a twenty percent permanent hearing loss in my left ear from one round! So yes, wear hearing protection at all times when firing these large magnums. It is funny, I am usually extremely cautious with my hearing protection.

And regarding the 454 vs 460 debate, they are very similar. The SRH is brutal to shoot with full loads (close to max loads with 110/296) of anything north of 300 grains. My XVR with full loads is quite mild in comparison. In fact, I only use reduced loads in the 454 SRH. I shoot a moderate charge of 2400 over a 300 LBT style bullet.

The only thing the 460 really gets you for hunting is range. A deer, elk, or hog will die just as quick with a 300 grain slug going 1400-1700 fps out of a 454 versus 1900-2000 out of a 460..
 
I shoot a moderate charge of 2400 over a 300 LBT style bullet.

I'm so happy I finally know what this means. As for hearing protection, I've always worn it. I'm just wanting to be sure when I head up to Georgia that I can make a clean kill on one those big boars if I see one. Our hogs in Mississippi top out at 200 pounds, but those in Georgia get massive!
 
If you get the 460; you have light-45 Colt, medium-454, and heavy load-460 capacity

Ha! Never thought of the .454 Casull, a 60K psi round as "medium", but ok, I guess so. I'd say "regular", "mondo", and "super-mondo", instead of light, medium, heavy for those. Full house .454 casull loads are a bear - the gun ends up well past 45 degrees up after a 2-handed shot (Taurus RB).

But actually, if I was gonna buy a revolver FOR big game hunting (which I've thought about doing so that I don't have to use a pull-up rope to get my rifle into the tree stand), it would definitely be a Magnum Research BFR in .45-70 (10").
 
even easier

A properly loaded 44 Magnum or 45 Colt Redhawk is utterly sufficient for the game mentioned.
But only if properly loaded, natch.
 
Save some $ get a Ruger BLACKHAWK 45 Colt or SBH 44 mag and take that money you saved and get a nice holster with some dies and a simple single stage press and you will thank me later;)
 
Micahweeks,Good luck here in GA.We do have some pretty big hogs in good numbers also in the southern parts of the state.The 454 will do a great job on all the piney wood rooters you can put a good hit on.good luck & take home all you can get.
 
I'm not much of a hunter but I do like shooting water jugs, fruit, phone books, old appliances, etc... Naturally, big-bore revolvers are the most fun and I've had the pleasure of enjoying several.

To quote a young cousin who came out with me for his first taste of anything bigger than a 9mm, ".454 has legit bat". If I'm understanding the phrase correctly, I have to agree. No matter how many times I shoot it, it reminds me of just how serious it is. Feeling the power and seeing what it does to a variety of media, usually with whatever the LGS has in stock at a "reasonable" price, I sincerely doubt that there is anything in the lower 48 where you'd need more gun.

That said, I'm not sure you'd even need that for most things. I know a lot of guys who do their handgun hunting with the old .44 magnum. It may have been surpassed, and greatly surpassed at that, but I'm not sure the wildlife has gotten much bigger.

Still, the .460 is amazing. It is truly awe-inspiring to shoot. It's incredible, more accurate than I will ever be, and more pleasant to shoot than the .454. As other members have pointed out, that has a lot to do with the weight and recoil-managing features of the XVR. I think Smith and Wesson really knocked it out of the park on this one.

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There used to be two watermelons and a gallon jug of water on this chair. The 460 S&W 200 gr FTX was fired from the standard XVR at maybe 30ft.
 
If you want a 460, get one. Don't let anyone talk you out of it because "It's too big/heavy", "there is no need for anything bigger than a 45 Colt unless you are hunting moose, elk, grizzlys", etc.

They are lots of fun to shoot. I bought one a couple years ago. Did I need one? Nope. But I wanted one, so I got it. I also have a Super Redhawk in 454, and as others have mentioned, the 460 is much more pleasant to shoot.

Here's what my rig comes in at fully loaded. Is it heavy? Yep. Is it big? Yep. Loud? Yep. Fun? Oh Yeah!

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.44 Magnum.

I just don't need the power of the .454 or .460 for deer. .44 does the deed fine.

I guess if I was after moose I'd might use a .454, but then I'd just use a short rifle instead.

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