.454 Casull vs 500 Linebaugh?

You guy's are all missing the boat. With a 454 you can shoot everything from very mild 45lc loads up to some PACO KELLY 45lc that are hotter than a 44 mag. This gun is very versatile and can be used for everything from plinking 45lc's ( which my wife could shoot)to full house 454's.Sure full house 454's can be punishing but you learn to love them (kind of like you'r first shot of whisky . You all owe it to yourself to buy one and try it as I am sure you will love it. In my opinion that is where the 454 far surpasses the 500 Linebagh(although I still would like one)and MANY other's.
 
My wrists are not squishy yet (had operations on both, not gun related).
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I can understand how recoil can bother the wrists of many but like every "vigorous" activity in sports, lack of conditioning can usually be found to be the root of the problem.

If you box or lift weights, you will mind much more stress on your wrists than the big pistols give.

The only time recoil bothers me is if the gun doesn't fit my hand. Some factory loads in my favorite 44 (PC629Vcomp) bother me more than Casull + loads in the 44SuperRedhawk. This is not because of the "recoil" perse but rather the result of the cylinder release 'nicking the major knuckle of my thumb.

Well let me qualify this a little. If I haven't shoot a big boomer in a few weeks I will exhibit a little flinch. However, after a couple of cylinders I'm back to the state of mind of "ignoring" the recoil and concentrating soully on the front sight. Unlike others responding to this thread, I find my groups improve during the shooting session (until I have to strain my shoulder holding the pistol up in the air that is).



-CAL
 
Question For Craig Luna-

What exactly are Casull + loads in a Ruger Super Redhawk? The .44 Mag won't hold as much powder as a 454 Casull, confused her? Roy
 
The Garrett .44Mag loads for Super Redhawks appear to me to provide everything necessary for this functional class of load/gun?

See also:
http://www.garrettcartridges.com/products.asp

A good 330 doing 1,400fps with 1,400ft/lbs of energy seems to be as much power as you'd need in a handgun. More than that strikes me as insane. And because it's a .44Mag you've got all kinds of flexibility for lighter stuff, personal defense loads, etc. Plus there's speedloaders available, which isn't the case with the .480 and may NEVER be, given how close together those case rims are!

At present, I don't need anything with this sort of horsepower...but when I do, especially since I'm not a handloader, this seems the best all-around combo.

Jim
 
Seems like a rhetorical question to me, as there's nothing I know of short of an elephant or rhino that either one of these won't shoot clean through with the right load. I'm of the opinion that unless you plan on actually going out and purposefully hunting something like a grizzly, they are more than anyone needs. For defense in the wild, it's more important that you hit what your aiming at without a lot of time to concentrate on how much the recoil is going to hurt. I think the practical limit for this is a .44mag. .45LC is about as good with handloads, but the .44 still beats it in penetration becasue unless you use some really heavy bullets, the .44 has a higher sectional density. I think the .44 is still King for all practical purposes.
 
Alaska Roy, 44Mag loads like 320@1500+fps or 240s in the 1800fps range. The 300 and 320s in the 1500fps range is the like of what JDJ and Kelley used to shoot elephant and cape with (out of a SuperRedhawk only).

These are mild compared to some numbers I've seen by a few authorities. Nothing like a long cylinder and an extra .1 inch of metal around the chamber.

The only problem with this loading practice is it is not safe if you own any other 44mags that can chamber the rounds. I have the same problem with the safety of hipressure 45colts.

check out the backissues at http://www.sixgunner.com for Paco's Megamagnum 5 article if you want an eye opener.

-CAL
 
Sissy guns...

Read this taken from Mr. Taffin's page:

500 LINEBAUGH LONG/MAXIMUM: We have arrived! There is simply no way to get any more power into a sixgun that can be packed easily on the hip or in a shoulder holster. Perhaps more importantly, there is no way any of us could handle any more felt recoil. It takes everything I've got to muster up the concentration and strength to handle this Monster Maximum.

The .500 Linebaugh Long, again named for its creator John Linebaugh is a 1.610" in length fifty caliber cartridge made from .348 Winchester brass. It can be loaded with the same dies used for the .500 Linebaugh and thrives on the same bullets. However, while the .500 Linebaugh is somewhat sluggish as to muzzle velocities, the .500 Maximum is quite the contrary. The .500 Linebaugh Long/Maximum will max out with a 440 grain bullet at 1550 feet per second! That is a rating of 50 on the Taylor Knockout Formula and believe me one feels knocked out on the back end.

Felt recoil is S-E-R-I-O-U-S to say the least. I find I must use a padded shooting glove such as the Chimere and also tape the tip of my trigger finger and pad the knuckle on my trigger finger to shoot the biggest .500. Even then it takes a tremendous amount of concentration and expended strength to handle the .500 Maximum and the .475 Maximum for that matter.
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All I have to say is GD that sounds like a monster!
 
I know all about the Maxs/Longs but they are still mild compared to the bigboys. I wish I can find the picture I saw that was a Single Action 50 BMG. :) Really!


Also, a Encore chambered in 416Rigby isn't too far off.

-CAL
 
What is wrong with the 44 Magnum ? The Smith and Wesson 460 cartridge is as big as the 45 LC or the 454 casull, yet it surpasses either one of them.
the difference betwenn the .45 and .44 is a silly .o1 inch !
Yet, people seem to think that makes it so much better.
If you want a big bullet get a .480 Ruger; a pleaser to shoot and
it really is much larger than a 44 Magnum.
The .475 Linebaugh is a bugger to shoot and I have shot ONE (1) 500 Smith and Wesson round and I was done with that.
If you want power and versitallity get a .475 Linebaugh and shoot .480 ruger rounds through it.
I am very partial to the 45 Long Colt and think it is the best all around cartridge. I am guessing a whole lot of others think the same as it has
been around for a Very Long Time.
 
Trader, seriously, did you really just dig up an 11 year old thread and post to it expecting a reply from one of the original participants?

For the record, a 44 mag is a .429" bullet while the 45 is a .451 or larger.
 
trader1000 made a zombie thread!
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Have not been able to use this .gif in a while.
 
Funny, I read the whole thing and it wasn't until the last few posts that I noticed the dates.

I have a BFR in 475/480 and have only shot 480's out of it so far. I have a SRH in 480 Ruger that punishes you with the factory grips. I can only shoot about 20 rounds before I can't shoot anything for a while... that is shoot anything and hit with it. But I use the SRH or deer hunting and it does the job. I still haven't shot them side by side yet, but I will in the next few weeks.
 
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