.45-70 Derringer
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New_Pollution1086
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Louhikaarme, an .810?, an .810? what the hell do you use that for? is it a single shot? (couldn't tell from the pic) how is the kick on that?
and in regards to the .45-70 derringer I'd shoot it for Ss and Gs.
T
and in regards to the .45-70 derringer I'd shoot it for Ss and Gs.
T
Stevie-Ray
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If he shot a factory 300 gr load, I understand. Tell him to look for the 405 gr loading from Remington. It's a popgun load, probably less recoil than a light .44 mag. And use gloves until you're sure.
i have the 45/70!!
i shot this gun, and own one.. piad 800$.. with two hands no gloves its a fun fun fun shot.. but i cant imagine pulling it out of your watch pocket in a time of need and quickly dissableling an assalent with one hand grasped on the gun.. but you defintly have confidence with this shot in your pocket ready to grab!! i love it and will own it my whole life.. im 25 any questions, just email me westie002@aol.com.. see ya
i shot this gun, and own one.. piad 800$.. with two hands no gloves its a fun fun fun shot.. but i cant imagine pulling it out of your watch pocket in a time of need and quickly dissableling an assalent with one hand grasped on the gun.. but you defintly have confidence with this shot in your pocket ready to grab!! i love it and will own it my whole life.. im 25 any questions, just email me westie002@aol.com.. see ya
My question is, "Why?"
Derringers are not generally all that accurate.
In 45/70, it would not be light or all that concealable.
It would not be pleasant to shoot, although it might be "fun" in some insane way for some.
A 45/70 isn't needed for SD against people, and who'd carry a derringer for defense against bears?
But perhaps I'm too practical in my thinking...
The reverse would be an artillary piece that shoots .22 shorts.
Daryl
Derringers are not generally all that accurate.
In 45/70, it would not be light or all that concealable.
It would not be pleasant to shoot, although it might be "fun" in some insane way for some.
A 45/70 isn't needed for SD against people, and who'd carry a derringer for defense against bears?
But perhaps I'm too practical in my thinking...
The reverse would be an artillary piece that shoots .22 shorts.
Daryl
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It would never occur to me to spend any amount of money on a firearm I only shoot once or twice at the range.
Wouldn't a 5-shot J-Frame Smith and Wesson make more sense? Double-action?
Against an enraged polar or kodiak bear, you might get that first 45-70 shot off, but thumbing back the hammer for that second shot is probably not going to happen fast enough after you get the pistol re-situated in your palm.
I think I'd go either magnum revolver or at a minimum, a Glock 20 in 10mm loaded with 200 grain solids pushing the pressure of the original Norma loads.
Wouldn't a 5-shot J-Frame Smith and Wesson make more sense? Double-action?
Against an enraged polar or kodiak bear, you might get that first 45-70 shot off, but thumbing back the hammer for that second shot is probably not going to happen fast enough after you get the pistol re-situated in your palm.
I think I'd go either magnum revolver or at a minimum, a Glock 20 in 10mm loaded with 200 grain solids pushing the pressure of the original Norma loads.
CarbineCaleb
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.45-70 derringer? Come on, how bad could it be???
Lost Sheep
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Recoil? Try the .45 ACP Downsizer or the Zeliska 600 N.E.
skidmark had an interesting post about the downsizer .45 ACP
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229949
or, if the link doesn't work, use this address
thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229949
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21459&d=1164941784
thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21459&d=1164941784
He apparently has made quite a bit of pocket change because of the difficulty producing fast (or even slow) followup shots. Reportedly even the manufacturer recommends a rate of fire no greater than 5 times per day.
By his testimony, using the gun as a betting device, he has paid for the gun almost twice over (less two payouts and the cost of ammunition) because of the difficulty of 1) reloading and 2) tolerating a second shot.
read his post. It is fascinating, and he is a better writer than I am.
Despite the fact that the 45-70's brass panatela LOOKS impressive, the wisdom of putting a cartridge whose volume is greater than the volume of the barrel is questionable. It is just unsound interior ballistics. A 2" long cartridge behind a 2" long barrel just wastes space. Put the same bullet in a 1.4" cartridge and you get 30% more distance for acceleration, and a better "fill ratio" (for efficient ignition and burn) inside the cartridge. I have just described substituting the 454 Casull for the 45-70 in the same platform. I guarantee you will get more muzzle velocity with the same bullet weight (swage your lead .458" bullets down to .452") with probably less felt recoil (because the acceleration will be spread out over a longer period of time).
Then there are the Howdah and Lancaster pistols of the late nineteenth century favored for emergency defense against dangerous animals in Africa and India. And my personal (still in my head) design of a an 8" over-under side-break pistol chambered in .500 or .460 S&W. That should be sufficient for any bear in North America at close range.
The top contender for impracticality, though, has got to be the Austrian Pfeifer-Zeliska 600 Nitro Express revolver.
http://www.vincelewis.net/60magnum.html
Lost Sheep
skidmark had an interesting post about the downsizer .45 ACP
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229949
or, if the link doesn't work, use this address
thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229949
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21459&d=1164941784
thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21459&d=1164941784
He apparently has made quite a bit of pocket change because of the difficulty producing fast (or even slow) followup shots. Reportedly even the manufacturer recommends a rate of fire no greater than 5 times per day.
By his testimony, using the gun as a betting device, he has paid for the gun almost twice over (less two payouts and the cost of ammunition) because of the difficulty of 1) reloading and 2) tolerating a second shot.
read his post. It is fascinating, and he is a better writer than I am.
Despite the fact that the 45-70's brass panatela LOOKS impressive, the wisdom of putting a cartridge whose volume is greater than the volume of the barrel is questionable. It is just unsound interior ballistics. A 2" long cartridge behind a 2" long barrel just wastes space. Put the same bullet in a 1.4" cartridge and you get 30% more distance for acceleration, and a better "fill ratio" (for efficient ignition and burn) inside the cartridge. I have just described substituting the 454 Casull for the 45-70 in the same platform. I guarantee you will get more muzzle velocity with the same bullet weight (swage your lead .458" bullets down to .452") with probably less felt recoil (because the acceleration will be spread out over a longer period of time).
Then there are the Howdah and Lancaster pistols of the late nineteenth century favored for emergency defense against dangerous animals in Africa and India. And my personal (still in my head) design of a an 8" over-under side-break pistol chambered in .500 or .460 S&W. That should be sufficient for any bear in North America at close range.
The top contender for impracticality, though, has got to be the Austrian Pfeifer-Zeliska 600 Nitro Express revolver.
http://www.vincelewis.net/60magnum.html
Lost Sheep
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phrogpilot
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True story; at my favorite indoor range. I know the staff well. Guy who runs the place starts telling me about a guy who just left who fired a 45/70 Derringer (at the time I never heard of such a thing). The recoil was so violent that the gun was pointed backwards into the reception area before the shooter got control of the recoil. He was immediately told to leave and never bring the weapon back.