44 Special shoot , not to good,question or two.

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So if I switch to bullseye , would the throw be the same?
Absolutely not. The throw (charge weight, or volume) would be far less. Filling the case with the same amount of Bullseye as 4227 (weight or volume) will result in extensive firearm damage, and probable personal injury. Do not do this. The fill level is going to look a lot different with Bullseye than with 4227 - there will be much less. It will likely fill the case maybe 1/3 full.

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I know it burns faster then the IMR 4227
Quite an understatement there. Bullseye burns much faster than IMR 4227. They're on opposite ends of the pistol powder burn rate spectrum.

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so would I have to use less
Much less. Hornady 9th shows from 4.3gn to 6.1gns. Since you're going to shoot them through a burly Redhawk 44 Mag gun, it isn't necessary that you start at 4.3. 4.3 is going to deliver a very weak round. My 200gn (Berry's plated) bullet is loaded with 5.0gn B'eye, and it's just target shooter range fodder - not spunky at all. I don't know your specific purpose, but considering you're loading Hornady XTP's, I presume it's something needing more juice than my weak rounds.

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and the OAL would be the same?
Yes. And that OAL would be "to the cannelure." The book states "1.470" but that's really neither here nor there. Assuming your brass is in spec (it likely is, if it's Starline and you haven't trimmed them), leave the calipers in the drawer and seat/crimp to the cannelure. Most loaders don't measure OAL with cannelured (or crimp groove, in the case of lead) bullets. OAL only comes into play with semi-auto cartridges; and revolver bullets with no cannelure (usually plated). When I started loading 31 years ago, I was loading all revolver rounds (with a crimp groove or cannelure), and I didn't even know why my starter kit came with a pair of calipers . Just seat them down to about 2/3 of the way through the cannelure range, crimp, and call it good.
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Thanks Nick, I guess a few thought that I was going to get myself in trouble, but as I have never used Bull'seye, I would of checked it first, I think I bought it for my 45 auto many years back.
About midway is good for me to the cannelure.

Thanks again.

I like this site straight answers and no BS.;)

Jeff
 
A lot of what I have read about using 4227 for 45Colt, suggested using a magnum primer for best burn rate.
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Yes, it is my understanding (and experience) that 4227 likes the hotter primer to work well. Also likes a heavier bullet (240g+ for example in .44) . 4227 always leaves a bit more residue than other powders, but not a functional problem. I've tested it in .357 to .45 Colt. Really like it in .45 Colt. Not so much in .357. Did find a nice IMR 4227 load for .44 Special under 240g SWC. Velocity was around 1040fps out of 5 1/2" barrel. Obviously this load is NOT for a CA Bulldog but just fine in my Ruger medium frame Flattops.
 
44 Special

Interesting thread. Some time ago I experimented wit H4227 in the Special. Excellent results from about 14,5 gr on up pushing a 240 gr SWC. I suspect your problem is that you have insufficient neck tension. If your size die is at the loose end of the tolerance and you are using jacketed bullets you won't be holding on well enough to get a good burn. Crimp won't fix that.

Try lead bullets, 240 gr SWC may be best.
 
will try the Taper crimp and use the Bull'seye
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I think that's a good approach. Bullseye hardly needs a crimp. A taper crimp will hold your bullet sufficiently and preserve your brass.

I load a lot of target 38 ammo, and use a taper crimp a lot. And I have taper crimp dies (2) for 44 - one is set for Special, the other, Magnum - so I don't have to keep re-adjusting them. I do things a little differently. Since I have the die space on my progressive, even with bullets that I roll crimp, they first go through the taper crimp. So it's seat, taper crimp, roll crimp.

I digress.

Point is, I think a taper crimp will work just fine for your application.
 
I had similar results when trying to use a relatively slow powder (N350) to load .38Spls for shooting out of a snub.

This was when I first started handloading. I'd hoped to find a powder that can be used for both my .44Mag and my .38Spl.

The loads were quite light in the.38 and it was really just a case, as I've learnt, of being an excessively slow powder in an excessively short barrel.

I had to make one of those parameters less excessive for the loads to work. Needless to say going for a faster powder was the easier one to fix.
 
Thanks Nick, and Pond like the handle there Pond James Pond. LOL

Yes a taper it will be, and the powder change, then if not better, on to the mag primers I have some, way old ones around.
Or heck get new ones just to be sure.





Jeff
 
Right from the horses mouth.;)

Mr. Nolan start charge for this is 4.3 gr. to a max of 6.1 for the Bullseye powder and 200 gr. XTP in the 44 Spcl. Thanks







Jeff
 
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