44 magnum, 357 magnum and an arrow on deer.
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I killed a 200 pounder hog with two pumps of 45 LC from a single action wheel gun not that I'm hunting with one but that d--g thing chase us after my buddy poke him with an arrow near the butt. I dont hunt with guns anymore, so far , I killed 6 hogs, 2 deer, coyotes and jackrabbits with a arrows. 44 and 357 mag will do the job with good shot placement. Handguns and arrows are close quarter weapons and should be use as one. If you're planning to use this weapon for long distance shots, might as well get a rifle.
.357 worked well for me on deer
I have taken deer in Wisconsin in the past with a .357 mag, Ruger GP100, 6 inch barrel, 4 power scope. The range was between 30 – 70 yards, using a 158 gain bullet (hand load) and lots of practice. When I shot my deer it was legal as long as the muzzle velocity was 1100 fps or higher. Not sure what the current regulations are. I’m more in to bow hunting now. Most bow shot only 300 fps (even if they are advertised at higher speeds, measure in liberators and under perfect conditions). What I liked on my .357 set up was that I could hold the gun straight using one hand to support the wrist of my shutting hand. The recoil was very manageable for me. Again, my set up worked great for me and the scope is a definitely most if you shot past 30 yards (my opinion).
I have taken deer in Wisconsin in the past with a .357 mag, Ruger GP100, 6 inch barrel, 4 power scope. The range was between 30 – 70 yards, using a 158 gain bullet (hand load) and lots of practice. When I shot my deer it was legal as long as the muzzle velocity was 1100 fps or higher. Not sure what the current regulations are. I’m more in to bow hunting now. Most bow shot only 300 fps (even if they are advertised at higher speeds, measure in liberators and under perfect conditions). What I liked on my .357 set up was that I could hold the gun straight using one hand to support the wrist of my shutting hand. The recoil was very manageable for me. Again, my set up worked great for me and the scope is a definitely most if you shot past 30 yards (my opinion).
There's nothing wrong with using a .357 on deer, but comparing it to a razor tipped arrow is a really bad comparison.
Bowhunters regularly take large elk and buffalo sized game, as well as grizzly bears, and the .357 would be considered a little light for those.
Remember, an arrow doesn't kill by driving a blunt object through a critter. It slices it's way through with razor sharp blades.
For a little fun, take a 5 gallon plastic paint bucket and fill it full of sand. Then shoot the bucket full of sand with a heavy, razor tipped arrow and a 30-06, and see which penetrates the bucket full of sand.
Arrows can and do kill far better than many think they do.
Daryl
Bowhunters regularly take large elk and buffalo sized game, as well as grizzly bears, and the .357 would be considered a little light for those.
Remember, an arrow doesn't kill by driving a blunt object through a critter. It slices it's way through with razor sharp blades.
For a little fun, take a 5 gallon plastic paint bucket and fill it full of sand. Then shoot the bucket full of sand with a heavy, razor tipped arrow and a 30-06, and see which penetrates the bucket full of sand.
Arrows can and do kill far better than many think they do.
Daryl
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I saw a video on YouTube the other day of two bucks with their antlers locked. The hunter shot one with his bow; the arrow went straight into the right flank of the buck, just behind the shoulder. It buried itself halfway into the chest cavity.
There was a near-instant jet of blood that shot out of the animal, and the two tangled bucks went down into a stream. The river ran red. I thought it was astonishing just how much blood was released so quickly from the arrow's wound. Then I read about guys shooting deer with rifles and not having much of a blood trail to follow if the deer runs.
Perhaps I can find the video and post it here.
Here it is. When I saw it the other day there was audio. I know this is the hunting forum, but I'll go ahead and warn that this is pretty graphic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=useNfqnu518&feature=related
There was a near-instant jet of blood that shot out of the animal, and the two tangled bucks went down into a stream. The river ran red. I thought it was astonishing just how much blood was released so quickly from the arrow's wound. Then I read about guys shooting deer with rifles and not having much of a blood trail to follow if the deer runs.
Perhaps I can find the video and post it here.
Here it is. When I saw it the other day there was audio. I know this is the hunting forum, but I'll go ahead and warn that this is pretty graphic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=useNfqnu518&feature=related
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Started out with 357 and have shot deer with following calibers 41,45lc and 44. Next will be 475 linebaugh. This has been over many years and alot of practice with each. Your distance confidence should be done at the range and don`t exceed that distance afield. I personally like a scope(getting older need all the help I can get
) and won`t shoot beyond my limitations. Haven`t used the 357 hunting in quite some time and if I went back to it,I`d have to get my refresher range time in prior. Probably my favorite cal. is the 41. Seems I spend(as much) or more time practicing with my handgun than I do with my bow. Your a bowhunter(it takes alot of practice) so that may give you some kind of guidelines you`ll need to practice with whatever cal. you choose. Also check your local hunting laws as some states have cal. as well as barrel length limitations. Have fun and Goodluck!
) and won`t shoot beyond my limitations. Haven`t used the 357 hunting in quite some time and if I went back to it,I`d have to get my refresher range time in prior. Probably my favorite cal. is the 41. Seems I spend(as much) or more time practicing with my handgun than I do with my bow. Your a bowhunter(it takes alot of practice) so that may give you some kind of guidelines you`ll need to practice with whatever cal. you choose. Also check your local hunting laws as some states have cal. as well as barrel length limitations. Have fun and Goodluck!troy_mclure
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ive killed several deer with my dads .357mag as a teen.
Here's some stats from Buffalo Bore that you may find helpful...
About Buffalo Bore 357 Mag. ammo
Our 357 mag. ammo adds more power than ever before to the 357 mag. This ammo is safe to shoot in ANY all steel 357 revolver—this includes J frames. This ammo is no harder on your gun than any other normal 357 ammo. Please don’t phone us and ask if this ammo is safe in your gun. It is, providing your gun is in safe condition for use with any normal 357 ammo.
We don’t recommend this ammo to be fired in super light alloy revolvers as bullets may jump crimp under recoil, but the ammo itself wont hurt these super light weight revolvers. These revolvers are simply so light that the recoil is severe enough to cause crimp jump.
The below velocities are offered so that you can see what guns/barrel lengths give what velocities with this new 357 mag. ammo. You’ll notice that new S&W revolvers with short barrels are often shooting faster than older S&W revolvers with longer barrels. The new S&W revolvers are very good and are made with equipment that makes them more consistent and faster than the S&W revolvers of yesteryear.
Make special note of the Marlin 1894, 18.5 inch barrel velocities. Item 19C/20, supercedes 30-30 energies!!!
1. 3 inch S&W J frame
a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard cast LFN = 1302 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC (jacketed hollow cavity) = 1299 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 1398 fps
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 1476 fps
2. 4 inch S&W L frame Mt. Gun
a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard cast LFN = 1375 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr JHC = 1411 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 1485 fps
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 1603 fps
3. 5 inch S&W model 27
a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard Cast =1398 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC = 1380 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 1457 fps
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 1543 fps
4. 6 inch Ruger GP 100
a. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 1707 fps
5. 18.5 inch Marlin 1894
a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard Cast = 1851 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC = 1860 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 2153 fps---- Can you believe this?!!!
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 2298 fps---- Or this?!!!
http://www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/default.htm#357
About Buffalo Bore 357 Mag. ammo
Our 357 mag. ammo adds more power than ever before to the 357 mag. This ammo is safe to shoot in ANY all steel 357 revolver—this includes J frames. This ammo is no harder on your gun than any other normal 357 ammo. Please don’t phone us and ask if this ammo is safe in your gun. It is, providing your gun is in safe condition for use with any normal 357 ammo.
We don’t recommend this ammo to be fired in super light alloy revolvers as bullets may jump crimp under recoil, but the ammo itself wont hurt these super light weight revolvers. These revolvers are simply so light that the recoil is severe enough to cause crimp jump.
The below velocities are offered so that you can see what guns/barrel lengths give what velocities with this new 357 mag. ammo. You’ll notice that new S&W revolvers with short barrels are often shooting faster than older S&W revolvers with longer barrels. The new S&W revolvers are very good and are made with equipment that makes them more consistent and faster than the S&W revolvers of yesteryear.
Make special note of the Marlin 1894, 18.5 inch barrel velocities. Item 19C/20, supercedes 30-30 energies!!!
1. 3 inch S&W J frame
a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard cast LFN = 1302 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC (jacketed hollow cavity) = 1299 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 1398 fps
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 1476 fps
2. 4 inch S&W L frame Mt. Gun
a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard cast LFN = 1375 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr JHC = 1411 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 1485 fps
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 1603 fps
3. 5 inch S&W model 27
a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard Cast =1398 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC = 1380 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 1457 fps
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 1543 fps
4. 6 inch Ruger GP 100
a. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 1707 fps
5. 18.5 inch Marlin 1894
a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard Cast = 1851 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC = 1860 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 2153 fps---- Can you believe this?!!!
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 2298 fps---- Or this?!!!
http://www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/default.htm#357
Another way , to view this, like Daryl, is to fill the 2 5 gallon buckets with water and the shoot one with the gun and one with the arrow. The arrow will penetrate all the way through and the water will slowly drain out. This is why most bow hunter will wait 30-60 minutes before following the animal.
Shooting a 5 gallon bucket of water (sealed tightly with a lid) with a 30.06 will cause the bucket to explode - literally! A .357 magnun at close range will have a similiar effect. The impact damage is much greater.
Shooting a 5 gallon bucket of water (sealed tightly with a lid) with a 30.06 will cause the bucket to explode - literally! A .357 magnun at close range will have a similiar effect. The impact damage is much greater.