If it is at 300 meters, it survives cause I can't even see 300 meters...
There is a time and place for everything and folks need to just let folks do what they do. If folks don't like it, move on and let it go.....
Yes, as can be seen in the targets I posted, sometimes it takes a strong load to reach out with accuracy weather it is 100 yards, 300yds or even 1,000 yards for the Buffalo guys....Sometimes it even takes a stout load to hit something big in close like a wild bore......piss-ant Winchester factory loads just don't cut the mustard. Shooting mouse farts at steel targets has it's place too.....I love it all!!!
Folks say if ya want 44 magnum performance, go get a 44 magnum. Well that can go both ways, if folks want 44 Henry performance, go get a 44 Henry ;-)
Know the firearm, know what it is capable of and it's limitations.
Back to the original post from back on 2015
kcub
One of the original attributes was to have ammo commonality between revolver and rifle.
True....was a great feature for the 44-40....one ammo, two firearms. We have to remember one thing...original black powder ballistics(rifle)...1,300fps+- with a 200gr lead bullet with great accuracy out to 300+ meters (reported 1,000 yards to penetrate 4" pine boards). Same ammo in a revolver produced nearly 1,000fps.
In Cartridges of the World they mention a factory peppier load "for rifles only".
Yes, in 1903 the High Velocity cartridge was introduced using a jacketed soft point bullet. Pressures were reported to be 22,000psi and not safe for early rifles like the Winchester 73' or any revolver. Over time, even this ammunition was neutered like Remington's "High Velocity" ammo good for all firearms. This is NOT the same ammo ballistics originally manufactured before WWII up thru about 1950.
After about 1960, Winchester neutered their ammunition down to 1860 Henry ballistics. Even though smokeless powder loads can replicate black powder loads below SAAMI max pressure, the pressure curve or "Spike" is not the same. Also, early bores came in many diameters like .424, .426, .427. The problem with this is that if a person uses the more popular .429-.430 soft lead bullets, jacketed as well......squeezing them down the tighter bore can cause the chamber pressures to exceed max pressures for those firearms. Both rifle and revolver. This was the exact concern with Buffalo Bores current manufactured loads that replicate original black powder velocities but using a hard cast lead bullet. If this cartridge is used in a tight bore, it could exceed SAAMI max pressures but perfectly safe for all and any firearm and replica there-of with the more modern larger diameter bores.
Today most ammo is cowgirl @ 725 fps. And then there is Winchester jsp at 1190 fps. Is it safe in revolvers? Also there is Magtech blue box @ 1180 with a lead flatnose bullet. Safe in revolvers? Will it lead a barrel?
This is the result of years of mis-informations, capitalism, on a sport that doesn't need high performance ammunition, without explanations. History has been lost.
At what barrel length are these velocities measured?
Early 1800's (1,300fps) documentations used the 24" barrel but the chronographs were poor and they failed to document if it was measured from the muzzle or out to 50 feet. Early results claimed 50 feet and in 1945(I think) it was changed to "at the muzzle" increasing the velocity from the 1870's 1,245 to a more modern 1,301. Many modern companies fail to disclose the barrel length information although I have seen the majority validated by using the "Universal Receivers" (pressure test barrels) of various lengths by reloading manuals.
For the 44-40, Lyman's 49th reports using a 6" Universal Receiver for the revolver loads and the 24" barrel rifle for the rifle loads. The rifle is not a pressure test barrel so they must have used some other testing program. SAAMI lists a 16" pressure test barrel for pressure testing their standards while Lymans 3rd Pistol & Revolver lists the 6" with a 1-20 twist.
I also talked to an Uberti rep about the revolvers and was told the 44 magnum buckhorn cylinders, 44-40 cylinders, 45 colt cylinders and the 45 ACP cylinders were all made from the same steel. If it's a lie, he told it! I have no idea about the rifles....and is why I use a Marlin with my load developments. I also use a 20" MGM 1 1/4 thick barrel for my out of this world loads.
Surf this site for a while
https://www.44winchestercenterfirecartridges.com/
My mind just went blank, chalk it up to old age I guess so I will stop there!!!
My youtube videos,44-40 MGM test barrel and custom platform
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN6undl4ZgI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CiUFqhsFcg