.410 for skeet?
- Thread starter Sulaco2
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Sure, most of us routinely shoot 12, 20, 28ga and .410 in skeet.
A 28ga will give her a lot better pattern - than the .410 though.
Picking a gun for a new shooter is sometimes tricky. It depends on the length of her arms, upper body strength etc. If she is very petite - there are semi-autos on the market that were built for young shooters - and a 20ga semi-auto might be just what she needs.
You'll find a lot more inexpensive ammo for 12 and 20ga than for 28ga and the .410. A heavier gun will reduce recoil as well / so maybe light 20ga loads is where she needs to be.
A 28ga will give her a lot better pattern - than the .410 though.
Picking a gun for a new shooter is sometimes tricky. It depends on the length of her arms, upper body strength etc. If she is very petite - there are semi-autos on the market that were built for young shooters - and a 20ga semi-auto might be just what she needs.
You'll find a lot more inexpensive ammo for 12 and 20ga than for 28ga and the .410. A heavier gun will reduce recoil as well / so maybe light 20ga loads is where she needs to be.
oneounceload
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Jim - you mean you need something bigger than a 410 or 28 to hit them easy skeet birds??????..
OP - BigJim your's skeet man as well as Zippy - trust their advice
OP - BigJim your's skeet man as well as Zippy - trust their advice
Buy a box of Winchester AA Low Recoil target loads for the 12 gauge and let her shoot it.
The ammo you are looking for has a picture of a feather right next to the AA logo.
Specs. 12gauge 2 3/4 inches MIN dr. eq. 26 gram (7/8 ounce) 8 or 9 shot.
This ammo instantly converts a 12 gauge into a 20 gauge, very pleasant to shoot, and it will break those birds. I have even shot trap with them.
A .410 is pleasant to shoot but frustrating to shoot good scores with.
The ammo you are looking for has a picture of a feather right next to the AA logo.
Specs. 12gauge 2 3/4 inches MIN dr. eq. 26 gram (7/8 ounce) 8 or 9 shot.
This ammo instantly converts a 12 gauge into a 20 gauge, very pleasant to shoot, and it will break those birds. I have even shot trap with them.
A .410 is pleasant to shoot but frustrating to shoot good scores with.
fixed breech guns tend to kick more than autos. If you can find a 20 guage auto that is comfortable for her to hold and swing like an 1100 youth or something you'll have lighter kick than an O/U12 and more available and cheaper shells than a 410. 410's are often a "kids" gun but best left for xperts!
zombieslayer
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Well, it may be my first post, but i agree- a 20ga auto would be a great choice. Butt- 410 is still a fun gun to shoot and great for smaller game, should you choose to use it for such other sporting purposes. I have a buddy who lets me wipe out squirrels in his nursery, its a bolt action 410 and is damn good for rabbits and such. and skeet!!!
oneounceload
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Only true IF the fixed breech gun weighs the same or less than the semi. Most times, they are heavier, therefore, they recoil less. The semi, in a gas form, MAY have less perceived recoil because the as action bleeds some pressure ff to work the action and thus spreads the recoil over a period of time (measured in milliseconds).
Take a heavy gun and shoot light loads - that lowers recoil. Put a 410 tube set in a 9 pound 12 gauge - now you have a 10 pound gun shooting a 410 - there's no recoil there
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OneOunce is right - to give you something to compare one gun to the other - if you shoot the same shell ( ounces of shot and velocity ) - adding 1 lb to the gun will reduce the recoil almost 12% ( which is a lot )...
If you reduce the weight of the gun by 1 lb - then the recoil increases 12% ...
So you have to be careful using these short ( and light ) guns for a new shooter - unless its a semi-auto that will absorb some of the recoil.
If you reduce the weight of the gun by 1 lb - then the recoil increases 12% ...
So you have to be careful using these short ( and light ) guns for a new shooter - unless its a semi-auto that will absorb some of the recoil.
The problem with making a gun heavier to lighten recoil is that a person who can handle holding and swinging a heavier gun can also handle the recoil! You can take two guns that weight about the same and one might have a lower percieved kick as sulaco2 described due to speading the force over a longer time. I have shot a recoil operated 11/48 12 guage with 1oz loads that kicks much harder than a newer gas operated CZ 720 with 7/8 oz loads. The 20 is a lighter gun and it kicks less than the 12 and it has better balance and swing. BPS 20 guage youth shotguns are nice but they are heavy and not well balanced. They also don't absorb recoil as well as a 20 guage auto. The CZ 720 is a turkish shotgun. They are about identical to the "Escort" shotguns and the Mossberg 720. I've seen the Escort shotguns for about $300 and it would be a fair shotgun for occasional shooting. If I was going to shoot more, I recommend looking for a used 1100 in 20 guage or a beretta, Franchi etc in 20. The turkish shotguns don't have good triggers. The thing you need to figure out is if you wife really wants to shoot other than to please her husband. If not it will be one excuse after another about why the gun isn't right for her. rc
BigjimP,
Family shoots mostly in the Sumner valley at a club that is dedicated to sheet and trap shooting. The wife and I were at an informal range at a guest ranch when she tried my Valment .12 O/U and did not like it. (I broke 48 out of 50) So she asked what gun would do her better. Keep in mind that she is not a small gal she is 5'9" and (mumbles weight - married 30 years) proportional for her height. 
She used to watch me and my 18 year old shoot and wants in on the action.
Family shoots mostly in the Sumner valley at a club that is dedicated to sheet and trap shooting. The wife and I were at an informal range at a guest ranch when she tried my Valment .12 O/U and did not like it. (I broke 48 out of 50
) So she asked what gun would do her better. Keep in mind that she is not a small gal she is 5'9" and (mumbles weight - married 30 years) proportional for her height. She used to watch me and my 18 year old shoot and wants in on the action.That's odd - the last I knew Sumner sportsman's club didn't have any skeet houses ..... although they do have Trap and sporting clays once a month / and a make shift 5 stand that operates once a week or so.
You're not going to see any serious Skeet shooters hanging out at Sumner / they're mostly Trap shooters - so you won't see hardly any sub-gague guns there.
But picking a gun to fit her - is probably more about getting something that doesn't intimidate her than anything. But 5'9" and 125 lbs at least - means she can handle whatever she wants / but all the more reason to focus on a 20ga for her. I think a semi-auto will be perfect for her / or maybe a 20ga O/U with 28" barrels ( something around 7 1/2 lbs ). A Beretta, Benelli, Remington, etc depending on your budget will all work. My pesonal choice is a Benelli SuperSport ( Cabelas, Western Outdoors (used to be Sportsman's warehouse in Fife or Lacy, etc have them in stock for around $1,750 ). The 20ga version - is very light at about 6.2 lbs / and even my 13 year old granddaughters like shooting that gun. I also have a Browning Citori XS Skeet, 30" barrels, in 28ga that I use when the kids are starting out / but that's a $3,000 gun these days if you can find one.
I think focusing on a semi-auto is probably smart / and you'll find a lot of good used guns around too.
You're not going to see any serious Skeet shooters hanging out at Sumner / they're mostly Trap shooters - so you won't see hardly any sub-gague guns there.
But picking a gun to fit her - is probably more about getting something that doesn't intimidate her than anything. But 5'9" and 125 lbs at least - means she can handle whatever she wants / but all the more reason to focus on a 20ga for her. I think a semi-auto will be perfect for her / or maybe a 20ga O/U with 28" barrels ( something around 7 1/2 lbs ). A Beretta, Benelli, Remington, etc depending on your budget will all work. My pesonal choice is a Benelli SuperSport ( Cabelas, Western Outdoors (used to be Sportsman's warehouse in Fife or Lacy, etc have them in stock for around $1,750 ). The 20ga version - is very light at about 6.2 lbs / and even my 13 year old granddaughters like shooting that gun. I also have a Browning Citori XS Skeet, 30" barrels, in 28ga that I use when the kids are starting out / but that's a $3,000 gun these days if you can find one.
I think focusing on a semi-auto is probably smart / and you'll find a lot of good used guns around too.
Thanks BJP and you are right about the trap vs sheet at Sumner, buts its my 18 year olds son's fav place and they shoot for the public on Tues and Sundays. Also shoot and belong to Paul Bunyan in Puyallup.
1700 is a little pricey for us, I think the next WAC club meet in Monroe would be a good place to hunt up a .28 or more likely a .20 in semi. Though the .20 in the O/U does sound attractive! If she did not like it I would HAVE to place it in my battery...
1700 is a little pricey for us, I think the next WAC club meet in Monroe would be a good place to hunt up a .28 or more likely a .20 in semi. Though the .20 in the O/U does sound attractive! If she did not like it I would HAVE to place it in my battery...
Seattle Trap and Skeet is in Ravensdale ( maybe 30 min east of Sumner ) / they have public shooting on Sat and Sun ( unless there is a tournament ) - and they have Skeet, Trap and 5 stand .....about the same price as Sumner ( but Sumner is a good club too ) and Tue and Thurs evenings right now / but that will end soon with Fall coming.
http://sstclub.com/
WAC is not a good place, in my mind, to shop for shotguns - the show just doesn't have a good selection of shotguns / or they'll be overpriced - and in general very little in the way of "target quality" shotguns. For a used gun, check out DJ's in Bothell / or check the "used gun board at the clubs ".
http://www.insiderpages.com/b/3723443661
He will have by far the best selection of high quality used shotguns around / and he can order whatever you want and beat most of the shops in the area on price. He probably has 150 shotguns in inventory now / combination of new and used ( maybe 30 semi-autos ) ...
http://sstclub.com/
WAC is not a good place, in my mind, to shop for shotguns - the show just doesn't have a good selection of shotguns / or they'll be overpriced - and in general very little in the way of "target quality" shotguns. For a used gun, check out DJ's in Bothell / or check the "used gun board at the clubs ".
http://www.insiderpages.com/b/3723443661
He will have by far the best selection of high quality used shotguns around / and he can order whatever you want and beat most of the shops in the area on price. He probably has 150 shotguns in inventory now / combination of new and used ( maybe 30 semi-autos ) ...
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