Tropical Z
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I have never fired 41 mag so i know nothing about it,but have seen these Taurus 2.5" ported barrel revolvers.What can you expect from this round out of this barrel,and will you be deaf afterwards?
41 magnum out of a 2.5 inch barrel-is there any point to this?
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). I know that the Winchester silvertips out of my .41 tracker are fairly mild. I think that they would do just fine in the 415. I wouldn't want to put any of my hot handloads though it though. I don't think I would get the titanium version myself.
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Silvertips out of the 415 are easy to handle.
Depends what you want.
I have tried the full Remington out of the 415 and it is not fun. Like full .357 mag. out of a J-frame snub.
How about the 3" 44 mag?
Depends what you want.
I have tried the full Remington out of the 415 and it is not fun. Like full .357 mag. out of a J-frame snub.
How about the 3" 44 mag?
Personally, I think shooting magnum loads out of snubbies (regardless of caliber) is sort of wasteful and inefficient. All that powder burning out in the air in front of your barrel.
Do what you want, it's a free country. But I want my .357s to have at least a 4" tube, and I suppose I feel the same way about my .41s.
I've held a 3" .44 mag, btw. Seemed pretty silly to me.
Do what you want, it's a free country. But I want my .357s to have at least a 4" tube, and I suppose I feel the same way about my .41s.
I've held a 3" .44 mag, btw. Seemed pretty silly to me.
Oh yes, there is definitely a point and advantage to a smaller .41 mag.
I have been shooting .41 Magnum for many years, using out of a Ruger Blackhawk with a six-inch barrel or S&W Mountain Gun with a four-inch tube.
I picked up a Taurus .41 mag with the 2-1/2" barrel because i like the cartridge but wanted a lighter gun (30 ounces) for CCW and sometimes for backpacking. I think the frame size and reduction to a five-shot cylinder gave me most of that, and I would I have liked a three or four-inch barrel. (Even with a small-frame .38, I like the longer barrel and the extra two inches hardly detract from concealability; barrel length is a poorly-thought out bug-a-boo - I've carried 6" K-frames concealed, and it was the frame size that made for difficulty, not the barrel!)
That said, this Taurus delivers good performance - i can't lay my hands on the chronograph results at the moment (I will look), but the velocities were still good and made me feel I was getting good performance with full expectation of expansion with any good bullet. While the shorter (2 inch) barrel .357 mags barely give more than a hot .38 special gives out of a 6-inch barrel, the .41 Magnum offers more to begin with and thus continues to deliver more.
If you don't need to be concerned about weight or size, small magnum revolvers don't make much sense. But if I am going for a snubby, I'll go for the .41 over the .357 any day. It is as easy to carry as my m65 S&W with a 3" barrel.
If one can get the velocity, why is a smaller magnum carry gun silly? Inefficent use of powder, yes. But still they perform. At the very least, this Taurus will give something a bit better than a .40 S&W gives out of a semi-auto. Are they silly?
The Taurus also offers more - porting for excellent control, great recoil-soaking grips, and reasonable size. I can control it well with any load.
I have been shooting .41 Magnum for many years, using out of a Ruger Blackhawk with a six-inch barrel or S&W Mountain Gun with a four-inch tube.
I picked up a Taurus .41 mag with the 2-1/2" barrel because i like the cartridge but wanted a lighter gun (30 ounces) for CCW and sometimes for backpacking. I think the frame size and reduction to a five-shot cylinder gave me most of that, and I would I have liked a three or four-inch barrel. (Even with a small-frame .38, I like the longer barrel and the extra two inches hardly detract from concealability; barrel length is a poorly-thought out bug-a-boo - I've carried 6" K-frames concealed, and it was the frame size that made for difficulty, not the barrel!)
That said, this Taurus delivers good performance - i can't lay my hands on the chronograph results at the moment (I will look), but the velocities were still good and made me feel I was getting good performance with full expectation of expansion with any good bullet. While the shorter (2 inch) barrel .357 mags barely give more than a hot .38 special gives out of a 6-inch barrel, the .41 Magnum offers more to begin with and thus continues to deliver more.
If you don't need to be concerned about weight or size, small magnum revolvers don't make much sense. But if I am going for a snubby, I'll go for the .41 over the .357 any day. It is as easy to carry as my m65 S&W with a 3" barrel.
If one can get the velocity, why is a smaller magnum carry gun silly? Inefficent use of powder, yes. But still they perform. At the very least, this Taurus will give something a bit better than a .40 S&W gives out of a semi-auto. Are they silly?
The Taurus also offers more - porting for excellent control, great recoil-soaking grips, and reasonable size. I can control it well with any load.
You're right, "silly" was a poor word for me to use. My apologies for having made my remark sound patronizing (and thanks for the graciousness with which you pointed out my poor word choice).
"Not for me," was what I meant, for the reasons I gave earlier. A .357 outperforms a .38 spl out of a 2" bbl, but I use a 9x19 snub because it's more efficient (admittedly probably still not as hot as a .357) and less of a flamethrower at the bullet weights I need.
"Not for me," was what I meant, for the reasons I gave earlier. A .357 outperforms a .38 spl out of a 2" bbl, but I use a 9x19 snub because it's more efficient (admittedly probably still not as hot as a .357) and less of a flamethrower at the bullet weights I need.
Mike Irwin
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Remington 210-gr. JSP isn't exactly pleasant out of a 4" Model 58, either. Definitely has some boom to it.
Erich:
Oh words, words, words - get us in trouble all the time. Been there, done that <g> so I always pray, "Lord, make these words tender in case I have to eat them . . "
>"Not for me," was what I meant, for the reasons I gave earlier. A .357 outperforms a .38 spl out of a 2" bbl, but I use a 9x19 snub because it's more efficient (admittedly probably still not as hot as a .357) and less of a flamethrower at the bullet weights I >need.
Oh, I do like your choice of 9x19! - my chronograph keeps telling me this cartridge is underestimated as a short-barrel performer. I want one of these in my future - it rates above a .38 snubbie any day. I think the 9 shines in this application is widely underestimated.
Oh words, words, words - get us in trouble all the time. Been there, done that <g> so I always pray, "Lord, make these words tender in case I have to eat them . . "
>"Not for me," was what I meant, for the reasons I gave earlier. A .357 outperforms a .38 spl out of a 2" bbl, but I use a 9x19 snub because it's more efficient (admittedly probably still not as hot as a .357) and less of a flamethrower at the bullet weights I >need.
Oh, I do like your choice of 9x19! - my chronograph keeps telling me this cartridge is underestimated as a short-barrel performer. I want one of these in my future - it rates above a .38 snubbie any day. I think the 9 shines in this application is widely underestimated.
Yeah, Tamara, I managed a gun store for 2 years between college and law school in '88-'90. We got in one of those Lew Horton S&W specials, a 629 Mountain Gun variant with the 3" tube. It didn't exactly fly out the door. I never fired it because it was a new gun (so we kept it that way) but it didn't really "grab" me anyway (I was much more into semiautos and sporting clay guns at the time) and it seemed like it was taking the short barrel thing a little far for that round. Shortest .44 I fired was another "Mountain Gun", don't really remember anything about how it did (it's been years) or what the blast was like. I like a Redhawk better than an N-frame for the .44 anyway.
Brian, Sam, thx! Brian, I wish I'd run across a 3" bbl'd 940.
Mike - I've got a 4 5/8" Blackhawk that makes that load (the very one I carry on the trails hereabouts) a whole lot more pleasant than a 4" tube does - funny the difference a half inch can make. I'd like to try it in a 5" N-frame 57 or a 5.5" Redhawk, but I sure can't criticize your choice of a 58! As I've recently posted over on GT, L. Neil Smith had me wanting a 58 ever since I read The Probability Broach in my otherwise-misspent youth.
Brian, Sam, thx! Brian, I wish I'd run across a 3" bbl'd 940.
Mike - I've got a 4 5/8" Blackhawk that makes that load (the very one I carry on the trails hereabouts) a whole lot more pleasant than a 4" tube does - funny the difference a half inch can make. I'd like to try it in a 5" N-frame 57 or a 5.5" Redhawk, but I sure can't criticize your choice of a 58! As I've recently posted over on GT, L. Neil Smith had me wanting a 58 ever since I read The Probability Broach in my otherwise-misspent youth.
Firing a 41 out of a 2.5 inch barrel?
Assume the 41 Mag.Winchester silvertip has a velocity of 1200 fps. Assume the load was figured out of a 6 inch barrel. Subtract 33 feet per second for each inch shorter than 6 inches. The answer I get a velocity of 1,084. That is "close" to the OLD POLICE LOAD. Yes a 2.5 or 3 inch barrel .41 Magnum is worth it!
MADISON
Assume the 41 Mag.Winchester silvertip has a velocity of 1200 fps. Assume the load was figured out of a 6 inch barrel. Subtract 33 feet per second for each inch shorter than 6 inches. The answer I get a velocity of 1,084. That is "close" to the OLD POLICE LOAD. Yes a 2.5 or 3 inch barrel .41 Magnum is worth it!
MADISON
KEN CHAVEZ
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C.R.Sam said:
I would think that any gun without a barrel(regardless of caliber) would have very bad accuracy?
I would think that any gun without a barrel(regardless of caliber) would have very bad accuracy?
Erich,
Big bore snubbies; either ya love 'em or ya don't.
(I love mine... 
; it may not have as much velocity as it does out of a 6" tube, but I assure you that Georgia Arms 240gr Gold Dots still pack a wallop out of that 3" MagNaPorted barrel! 
)
If you liked The Probability Broach, read the sequel, The American Zone; Win Bear & his M58 are back.
Here's my roomie's answer to the same question, a custom 4" 57:
Big bore snubbies; either ya love 'em or ya don't.
(I love mine... ; it may not have as much velocity as it does out of a 6" tube, but I assure you that Georgia Arms 240gr Gold Dots still pack a wallop out of that 3" MagNaPorted barrel! )If you liked The Probability Broach, read the sequel, The American Zone; Win Bear & his M58 are back.
Here's my roomie's answer to the same question, a custom 4" 57: