.38spl out of a .357mag, accuracy reduction?

Of course there is a difference in accuracy, but unless you put it in a ransom rest, most people aren't going to be able to tell the difference just shooting off-hand.
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So every .357 round is more accurate than any .38 spl round in a magnum revolver?

IME, a good .38 load will out shoot an average .357 load every time, even from the bench with a scope.
 
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Of course there is a difference in accuracy, but unless you put it in a ransom rest, most people aren't going to be able to tell the difference just shooting off-hand.

So every .357 round is more accurate than any .38 spl round in a magnum revolver?

IME, a good .38 load will out shoot an average .357 load every time, even from the bench with a scope.
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That isn't what he said. He was saying that theoretically the 38 might shoot better in a controlled test due to the fact that the bullet has to jump farther to get to the forcing cone. Note: your comment says "a good .38 load will out shoot an average .357 load every time". How about a good .38 load compared to a good .357 load so we're comparing apples to apples? I don't think you'd see any difference in that scenario.
 
That's right, no difference, so the statement 'of course there's a difference in accuracy' is an incorrect assumption based on a theory that has been de-bunked by thousands of shooters shooting million of rounds.
 
your comment says "a good .38 load will out shoot an average .357 load every time". How about a good .38 load compared to a good .357 load so we're comparing apples to apples? I don't think you'd see any difference in that scenario.
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Care to elaborate?
 
In general, guys! Not talking about special hand loads, hand cast bullets, match ammo...etc...etc.

Good gawd, I think I'm just going to go home, grab my Hi-Point, a few boxes of Tula, and head for the range. :rolleyes:
 
I have not seen any reduction in accuracy with 38's out of a .357. I can still push that last shot be it with a 38 or a .357...all on my own.

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I have never been able to prove a difference in accuracy with 44 specials vs 44 Mags out of the same gun. I understand the thought behind it, there being more jump for the boolit to engage the forcing cone and rifling.

But nowadays there are 460's which will take 454's and 45 Colts. I wonder if the alleged accuracy problems would rear their ugly head by increasing the gap even more, like say from shooting 45 Colts in your 460. Any of you 460 owners shooting very good or bad with 45 Colt cartridges in the 460?
 
I find as long as I use the same bullet type/weight either 158 gr LSWC, LSP or HP I have no appreciable difference at 50 yards or less. I have to hold higher at 100 and 200 yards with the 38's but I'm still hitting my target albeit it is a tad bigger than the ones I use close up. Well maybe a lot bigger.

With my 44 mag revolver my specials are probably half again more accurate then my magnums but part of that may be old bones trying to hang onto the gun when it's barking like a grizzly instead of like a Kitty cat.
 
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I have two vintage 38spls and three 357s - I've shot both 38spls and 357s out of the three but to be perfectly honest - I don't see any difference. But, I'm no crack shot either. Maybe a more experienced shooter or one who uses a rest could tell the difference but I don't think I could. 95% of the time, I'm shooting 38 spls out of my 357s. I carry a 357 snubbie for CC but even then, I have it stuffed with 38 spls. I just happen to love that cartridge . . .
 
The angle of the forcing cone will have probably a greater effect on accuracy, whether it is cut for jacketed or lead bullets, but there are many factors that have a much greater impact on (noticeable) accuracy.
 
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The bullet in the 38 case has to jump .135" , That my friend is an asumption on our parts !!

The full dia. of the bullet would be shorter than .135" to "jump" from case to cyl throat & most I`ve measured are longer !

The bullet is coming out of the 38 case ,goes forward into the throat which in this case is .358" ( Most front bands on lead bullets are not 358) & is started well into the throat while PRESSURE is building BEHIND the bullet.

Now as the bullet base exits the 38 case & PRESSURE is higher now it blows by the base to fill the space .135" in length & approximately .012-.015" (depending on chamber demisions) exposing the body of the bullet to medium?? pressures for milliseconds of time ,but more importantly causing the base to wobble a bit , grant you it does`nt wobble much since as I said it`s "milliseconds" that this happens & it does happen as I`ve cleaned the evidence out of my chambers many times, known as the "38 dreaded crude ring" & would say in my opinion if I was gonna shoot 38 from a 357 chambered fire arm I would dedicate it to such & leave the crude rings be to help this problem ,I just would`nt shoot 357 length cases until it was "decruded"

This happens to all modern fire arms to some mynoot degree , hence the added importantce to a good even & square base on bullets !!!

This is my understanding & theory as explained to me by an old bullseye shooter.

Unfortunately most of us (me included:o) can shoot em better because we don`t flinch , it`s a natural instinct , alot of us learn to either controll it or delay it to the degree it does`nt affect grouping ,but it`s there just the same.

For those of you that think ya don`t video ya self & slow it down a bit .

You`ll be suprised what ya see !!!
 
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The bullet in the 38 case has to jump .135" , That my friend is an asumption on our parts !!

The full dia. of the bullet would be shorter than .135" to "jump" from case to cyl throat & most I`ve measured are longer !

The bullet is coming out of the 38 case ,goes forward into the throat which in this case is .358" ( Most front bands on lead bullets are not 358) & is started well into the throat while PRESSURE is building BEHIND the bullet.

Now as the bullet base exits the 38 case & PRESSURE is higher now it blows by the base to fill the space .135" in length & approximately .012-.015" (depending on chamber demisions) exposing the body of the bullet to medium?? pressures for milliseconds of time ,but more importantly causing the base to wobble a bit , grant you it does`nt wobble much since as I said it`s "milliseconds" that this happens & it does happen as I`ve cleaned the evidence out of my chambers many times, known as the "38 dreaded crude ring" & would say in my opinion if I was gonna shoot 38 from a 357 chambered fire arm I would dedicate it to such & leave the crude rings be to help this problem ,I just would`nt shoot 357 length cases until it was "decruded"

This happens to all modern fire arms to some mynoot degree , hence the added importantce to a good even & square base on bullets !!!

This is my understanding & theory as explained to me by an old bullseye shooter.

Unfortunately most of us (me included) can shoot em better because we don`t flinch , it`s a natural instinct , alot of us learn to either controll it or delay it to the degree it does`nt affect grouping ,but it`s there just the same.

For those of you that think ya don`t video ya self & slow it down a bit .

You`ll be suprised what ya see !!!
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What's the short answer, yes or no? Long response with unclear answer.
 
Wonder how many reading or posting to this topic can tell the difference at 25 yards standing on your hind legs....................I know I can't.
 
Me needer , but as loading & shooting ammo in different guns, each is it`s own entity within it`s self !!

I had 2 Redhawks neither would shoot what the other would :confused:

So there`s NO short answer !

Will a 357 revolver safely shoot a 38spc. ??? YES

Will it shoot it more or less accurately, depends on who/what`s holding the revolver!
 
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