375 H&H Mag for the Big Five?
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Jim Dubell at Clearwater reboring. They bought LaBounty reboring and spent a lot of time with him learning his techniques as part of the deal. My gunsmith, Kevin Weaver, highly recommended them. Several of his customers had reboring done by them, and they all shot really well. If you check online they have an excellent reputation. Here's a link.
http://www.deltagunshop.com/Clearwater/CW_about.html
Chuck
Jim Dubell at Clearwater reboring. They bought LaBounty reboring and spent a lot of time with him learning his techniques as part of the deal. My gunsmith, Kevin Weaver, highly recommended them. Several of his customers had reboring done by them, and they all shot really well. If you check online they have an excellent reputation. Here's a link.
http://www.deltagunshop.com/Clearwater/CW_about.html
Chuck
By the way, Saeed Al Maktoum, one of the best shots in the world, has taken well over 120 buffalo, and everything else.
He runs accuratereloading.com
He uses what's really a 375 Rum, but, based on the 404 jefferies, because he's so rich, he doesn't know what to do with the money.
That said, he's also one of the worlds best shots. He uses a Barnes X, or now, his own CNC machine cut bullets that are about the same, at about 2750 fps. The combination is reputed to hit like a 458 Lott, thanks to the fragmentation of the bullet, and, you are hitting with 5 bullets, 4 fragments, and the penetrating core.
I asked him what I should get, and, he said 375 H&H, because if you know what you are doing, it's adequate for everything, and, he's used it for everything. Keep in mind K. Bell used a .303, and 7x57 for about 10,000 elephants...
He runs accuratereloading.com
He uses what's really a 375 Rum, but, based on the 404 jefferies, because he's so rich, he doesn't know what to do with the money.
That said, he's also one of the worlds best shots. He uses a Barnes X, or now, his own CNC machine cut bullets that are about the same, at about 2750 fps. The combination is reputed to hit like a 458 Lott, thanks to the fragmentation of the bullet, and, you are hitting with 5 bullets, 4 fragments, and the penetrating core.
I asked him what I should get, and, he said 375 H&H, because if you know what you are doing, it's adequate for everything, and, he's used it for everything. Keep in mind K. Bell used a .303, and 7x57 for about 10,000 elephants...
Ok now you have my intrest! I met Kevin and have a friend that uses him for all his work. I really liked him and what I saw of his work and I wished I had used him for my .25-06 instead of the smith I did. So Chuck are you in the Colorado Springs area or do you just use Kevin for your work.
African game
The .375 H&H has probably killed more african game than any other caliber out there, including the Big 5. I'd be comfortable taking any big game on the face of the earth with my .375 H&H.
In fact, this honour goes to the humble .303 British, and maybe the 7x57 as a follow up.
One problem with the .375 and 300 gr monolithic bullets is OVER PENETRATION - and wounding another buffalo behind the one you shot, and this one will kill you.
It kicks less than the .416, and it is perfect for everything else your friend will hunt in Africa. He can practise a lot with it, off-hand and sitting down, or from shooting sticks as the recoil is very manageable.
Americans are died in the wool gun men like South Africans but there is this silly notion that because you are new to Africa bring the biggest, heaviest hardest hittin' and kickin' cannon out here. Do not fall for that.
The .375 H&H will do just fine if he practices sufficiently with it, and he need not bring another rifle- it does beautifully on kudu and impala and warthog. Advise him to stick to ONE bullet weight/design and just shoot it well.
The .375 H&H has probably killed more african game than any other caliber out there, including the Big 5. I'd be comfortable taking any big game on the face of the earth with my .375 H&H.
In fact, this honour goes to the humble .303 British, and maybe the 7x57 as a follow up.
One problem with the .375 and 300 gr monolithic bullets is OVER PENETRATION - and wounding another buffalo behind the one you shot, and this one will kill you.
It kicks less than the .416, and it is perfect for everything else your friend will hunt in Africa. He can practise a lot with it, off-hand and sitting down, or from shooting sticks as the recoil is very manageable.
Americans are died in the wool gun men like South Africans but there is this silly notion that because you are new to Africa bring the biggest, heaviest hardest hittin' and kickin' cannon out here. Do not fall for that.
The .375 H&H will do just fine if he practices sufficiently with it, and he need not bring another rifle- it does beautifully on kudu and impala and warthog. Advise him to stick to ONE bullet weight/design and just shoot it well.
Hi, I do live in Colorado Springs. My gunsmith used to be Norm Thompson who was wonderful, but sadly he passed away. Several of my friends and former clients of Norm recommended Kevin and I am very impressed, not only by his work but by his attitude.
As far as the caliber is concerned, I was considering rechambering to 375 Weatherby. I think shooting 350g Woodleigh Protected Points and solids at 2550 fps would be pretty devastating and reasonably flat shooting. I could still shoot 375 H&H ammo in a pinch. I could essentially use the same load (350g Woodleigh protected points) for plains came as well as cape buffalo. I get 2400 fps out of my 375 H&H with the 350g bullets.
The problem is my rifle is on the heavy side and muzzle heavy as well. Also the recoil is so light as to be depressing. I feel reboring to 470 Capstick will solve all of these problems ...
I bought the 375 H&H with the idea of moving up in power once I felt that recoil and getting a quick second shot was not an issue. I am a member of the AR forum as well and Saeed has given me advice as well as Wayne from AHR (who replaced the rear sight, glassbedded the action, added an additional recoil lug to the barrel, installed their single stage match trigger and 3 position safety) Wayne almost convinced me to rebarrel to 500 Jeffery but sanity prevailed lol ...
Chuck
As far as the caliber is concerned, I was considering rechambering to 375 Weatherby. I think shooting 350g Woodleigh Protected Points and solids at 2550 fps would be pretty devastating and reasonably flat shooting. I could still shoot 375 H&H ammo in a pinch. I could essentially use the same load (350g Woodleigh protected points) for plains came as well as cape buffalo. I get 2400 fps out of my 375 H&H with the 350g bullets.
The problem is my rifle is on the heavy side and muzzle heavy as well. Also the recoil is so light as to be depressing. I feel reboring to 470 Capstick will solve all of these problems ...
I bought the 375 H&H with the idea of moving up in power once I felt that recoil and getting a quick second shot was not an issue. I am a member of the AR forum as well and Saeed has given me advice as well as Wayne from AHR (who replaced the rear sight, glassbedded the action, added an additional recoil lug to the barrel, installed their single stage match trigger and 3 position safety) Wayne almost convinced me to rebarrel to 500 Jeffery but sanity prevailed lol ...
Chuck
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when in rome...
i am a big fan of the H&H ,in fact i am having one custom made at the moment. the problem with the 375 is one of stopping power due to good penatration like wildebees said. if big game are on the list i will go for 416 rigby. so when in rome ....most big game ph's use 416 or 505 gibbs. having said that the 375h&h is the best all rounder for africa.
i am a big fan of the H&H ,in fact i am having one custom made at the moment. the problem with the 375 is one of stopping power due to good penatration like wildebees said. if big game are on the list i will go for 416 rigby. so when in rome ....most big game ph's use 416 or 505 gibbs. having said that the 375h&h is the best all rounder for africa.
Buffalo cows/bitches
There are so many stories and tales and fairy tales about the cunning and persistent adherence to life of wounded Cape Buffalo bulls.
What is lesser known is the single nastiness of buffalo cows. I swear they get and suffer from an elephantine dose of PMS or MCD (Mad Cow Disease) or whatever, at times. And each herd, large or small, has its MCD cow / bitch.
She needs not to be wounded; she needs not have been agitated; she needs not to have a calf to protect; she just needs to have taken notice of you from within the herd which you have been passing at a tangent in your quest to find whatever else it is you want to eat.
The moment you notice an old girl buffalo has taken notice of you, do get out of her sight because she will seek you and influence some of her lady friends to join her. Do not call her bluff - although it may work, but then again it may not, and you may end up having to shoot her, which always is sad and costly, and never good on the nerves.
With MDC cows it is like bloody black mambas. You do not encounter one head-on for years, and then one day the fool thing is there - in the pump house you have entered daily the past year. Fortunately you happened to carry the Winchester Defender and No.4's for the francolin down at the river's edge.
There are so many stories and tales and fairy tales about the cunning and persistent adherence to life of wounded Cape Buffalo bulls.
What is lesser known is the single nastiness of buffalo cows. I swear they get and suffer from an elephantine dose of PMS or MCD (Mad Cow Disease) or whatever, at times. And each herd, large or small, has its MCD cow / bitch.
She needs not to be wounded; she needs not have been agitated; she needs not to have a calf to protect; she just needs to have taken notice of you from within the herd which you have been passing at a tangent in your quest to find whatever else it is you want to eat.
The moment you notice an old girl buffalo has taken notice of you, do get out of her sight because she will seek you and influence some of her lady friends to join her. Do not call her bluff - although it may work, but then again it may not, and you may end up having to shoot her, which always is sad and costly, and never good on the nerves.
With MDC cows it is like bloody black mambas. You do not encounter one head-on for years, and then one day the fool thing is there - in the pump house you have entered daily the past year. Fortunately you happened to carry the Winchester Defender and No.4's for the francolin down at the river's edge.
Lt Dan, and Wildebees:
Nice to have South Africa residents around the forum.
So, here is my ongoing battle: I have a CZ 550 that I'm going to have rebored. My gunsmith, who just bought the barrel machine, argues for the .458 Lott. I am with Chuckscap, and what to have it opened up to what is really 475 Ackley, the 375 case blown out to .475. Out of a longer barrel, it's supposed to move a 500 grain bullet at 416 Rigby
2400 fps, and, give you a full magazine, of 5-6 rounds, vs. the Rigbys usual 3. The big plus, if you can call it that, is you can move 600 grain solids at over 2150 fps, as well.
Here are my pluses for the .475. Most rounds possible in a serious stopping rifle.
Can move heavier bullets, faster then the 458 Lott. Moves 600 grain bullets at .500 Nitro Express velocities, with better Sectional Density.
I've got about 600 flat point 325 grain 475 bullets laying around. I can push these at 2750, and have my own version of Saeeds' 404/375, but, with a bigger hole, and more rounds.
The bigger caliber would limit penetration, if you want to, with a soft point.
While not the flat out stopper the .500 Nitro Express, or, .510 Wells are, it's pretty near the limit of recoil, and, gives you high velocity with heavy bullets. In otherwords, you have a .475 caliber bullet, heavier, yet with the velocity of the .416 Rigby. A 500 grain soft point at 2400 fps should be the ultimate lion load.
You can neck up 375 brass, cheap everywhere.
Now, the downside is, it's not a .510 Wells, and, the argument for the .510 caliber bullets being the best stoppers is well established. They penetrate better then the larger calibers, and, stop better then the .470's, or 458's. Still, I've never really heard someone say the buffalo ran away with a proper shot from a .470 Nitro Express...
Ammo is much harder to find then a 458 Lott, and, bullets are a bit more expensive.
It recoils more then a 416 Rigby, but, it gives you more shots, and, heavier bullets.
I could go on, but, I just went through this on the phone with Jack Huntington. Everytime I let someone talk me into a lesser caliber, I end up wishing I'd followed my own counsel.
Finally, the 475 can be easily loaded with less pressure, yet give you the same bullet weights, and velocity, as the 458 Lott, without the excessive pressure.
Wildebees: Enjoyed your comments about the buffalo cows. Don't elephant cows act in much the same manner?
Black Mamba's scare the living daylights out of me. Deadly, huge, and fast. NOT my favorite snake combination, and, I forgot the aggressive part.
Don't you find Africa has a LOT of ways to keep the population down???
Lt dan: I thought Ganyana did a write up on PH tests, and, since most of em aren't rich, the most common, and best rifle was a Brno, or CZ, in 458 Lott?
I'd also argue that the BEST caliber for Africa is really the 9.3 X 74R, or, 9.3 x 62. Something about that 286 grain bullet that, if placed right, will kill Dukier to Elephant, with NO recoil to speak of.
Here's me shooting this beautiful little double rifle that feels like a 22, both in weight, maybe 7 pounds, and recoil, yet, it will kill an elephant...
Nice to have South Africa residents around the forum.
So, here is my ongoing battle: I have a CZ 550 that I'm going to have rebored. My gunsmith, who just bought the barrel machine, argues for the .458 Lott. I am with Chuckscap, and what to have it opened up to what is really 475 Ackley, the 375 case blown out to .475. Out of a longer barrel, it's supposed to move a 500 grain bullet at 416 Rigby
2400 fps, and, give you a full magazine, of 5-6 rounds, vs. the Rigbys usual 3. The big plus, if you can call it that, is you can move 600 grain solids at over 2150 fps, as well.
Here are my pluses for the .475. Most rounds possible in a serious stopping rifle.
Can move heavier bullets, faster then the 458 Lott. Moves 600 grain bullets at .500 Nitro Express velocities, with better Sectional Density.
I've got about 600 flat point 325 grain 475 bullets laying around. I can push these at 2750, and have my own version of Saeeds' 404/375, but, with a bigger hole, and more rounds.
The bigger caliber would limit penetration, if you want to, with a soft point.
While not the flat out stopper the .500 Nitro Express, or, .510 Wells are, it's pretty near the limit of recoil, and, gives you high velocity with heavy bullets. In otherwords, you have a .475 caliber bullet, heavier, yet with the velocity of the .416 Rigby. A 500 grain soft point at 2400 fps should be the ultimate lion load.
You can neck up 375 brass, cheap everywhere.
Now, the downside is, it's not a .510 Wells, and, the argument for the .510 caliber bullets being the best stoppers is well established. They penetrate better then the larger calibers, and, stop better then the .470's, or 458's. Still, I've never really heard someone say the buffalo ran away with a proper shot from a .470 Nitro Express...
Ammo is much harder to find then a 458 Lott, and, bullets are a bit more expensive.
It recoils more then a 416 Rigby, but, it gives you more shots, and, heavier bullets.
I could go on, but, I just went through this on the phone with Jack Huntington. Everytime I let someone talk me into a lesser caliber, I end up wishing I'd followed my own counsel.
Finally, the 475 can be easily loaded with less pressure, yet give you the same bullet weights, and velocity, as the 458 Lott, without the excessive pressure.
Wildebees: Enjoyed your comments about the buffalo cows. Don't elephant cows act in much the same manner?
Black Mamba's scare the living daylights out of me. Deadly, huge, and fast. NOT my favorite snake combination, and, I forgot the aggressive part.
Don't you find Africa has a LOT of ways to keep the population down???
Lt dan: I thought Ganyana did a write up on PH tests, and, since most of em aren't rich, the most common, and best rifle was a Brno, or CZ, in 458 Lott?
I'd also argue that the BEST caliber for Africa is really the 9.3 X 74R, or, 9.3 x 62. Something about that 286 grain bullet that, if placed right, will kill Dukier to Elephant, with NO recoil to speak of.
Here's me shooting this beautiful little double rifle that feels like a 22, both in weight, maybe 7 pounds, and recoil, yet, it will kill an elephant...
Cows/bitches and other bewitching things
Socrates,
I feel at home, thank you kindly - the spectrum is so wide and interesting.
"Wildebees: Enjoyed your comments about the buffalo cows. Don't elephant cows act in much the same manner?"
Well yes, but for some reason one expects it of them, and they are like that with calves around, but they are happy once you are out of the way.
Another thing, if you are camping (experienced this in Botswana many times) and the elephant know you are there and move into your camp and you just sit quietly, the cows and their calves shall just walk past you in total ignorance, or more disconcerting, start foraging around your tent.
Damn buffalo bitch may not be satisfied once you believe you have moved out of her comfort zone. She has no comfort zone boundary because she keeps closing in and then keeping herself uncomfortable... must sound familiar to some men too.
Socrates,
I feel at home, thank you kindly - the spectrum is so wide and interesting.
"Wildebees: Enjoyed your comments about the buffalo cows. Don't elephant cows act in much the same manner?"
Well yes, but for some reason one expects it of them, and they are like that with calves around, but they are happy once you are out of the way.
Another thing, if you are camping (experienced this in Botswana many times) and the elephant know you are there and move into your camp and you just sit quietly, the cows and their calves shall just walk past you in total ignorance, or more disconcerting, start foraging around your tent.
Damn buffalo bitch may not be satisfied once you believe you have moved out of her comfort zone. She has no comfort zone boundary because she keeps closing in and then keeping herself uncomfortable... must sound familiar to some men too.
Bigger than .375 H&H
Socrates,
Of course, if a man is comfortable with a bigger bore cartridge, and can shoot it well, then obviously that is good.
I fired five rounds with a .460 G&A and realised everything about the rifle ****** me off - the bang, the smack. The fifth round I missed the gong at 50 metres.
I could fire a .404 all day. My .375 is like an extension of the 30-06, and the bullet really goes where the sight is. It is just one of my pet thoughts that a new-to-Africa hunter can practice much more with a .375H&H and be really good with it.
If he can practice the same amount with a .475, 510, etc, and be very good with it, that's OK. If he can not, with either rifle, he will be risky with either too.
So if he can be good with a BIG bore, he can be better with a .375, and then the gun will do the job exactly perfectly, no matter what he hunts, and he needs not bring a second rifle for the antelope. But that is just the way my mind works.
One of the reasons why some outfitters ask clients to have a bigger than .375H&H is because history has shown that even the .375 was in fact too big for some guy, so he was off the vital mark all the time...
I ditto the 9,3 sentiments you have. Some old ammunition had no good bullets and gave them a bad name. I just love those German spectrum of calibers - no belted cases and that is why some people underestimated them - strange how looks and marketing can influence logical thinking, is it not?
Socrates,
Of course, if a man is comfortable with a bigger bore cartridge, and can shoot it well, then obviously that is good.
I fired five rounds with a .460 G&A and realised everything about the rifle ****** me off - the bang, the smack. The fifth round I missed the gong at 50 metres.
I could fire a .404 all day. My .375 is like an extension of the 30-06, and the bullet really goes where the sight is. It is just one of my pet thoughts that a new-to-Africa hunter can practice much more with a .375H&H and be really good with it.
If he can practice the same amount with a .475, 510, etc, and be very good with it, that's OK. If he can not, with either rifle, he will be risky with either too.
So if he can be good with a BIG bore, he can be better with a .375, and then the gun will do the job exactly perfectly, no matter what he hunts, and he needs not bring a second rifle for the antelope. But that is just the way my mind works.
One of the reasons why some outfitters ask clients to have a bigger than .375H&H is because history has shown that even the .375 was in fact too big for some guy, so he was off the vital mark all the time...
I ditto the 9,3 sentiments you have. Some old ammunition had no good bullets and gave them a bad name. I just love those German spectrum of calibers - no belted cases and that is why some people underestimated them - strange how looks and marketing can influence logical thinking, is it not?
I'm setting up the dates (hopefully late October, right after elk season) when I can send my CZ 550 to Jim Dubell at Clearwater reboring, definitely going to 470 Capstick. I'm planning to get my barrel cut to 24" (from 25"), standard 1 in 10" twist. I also asked him about the wisdom of going with an extra bit of freebore since the 470 Capstick is spec'd with a straight (parallel not conical) throat. Since my CZ's magazine is so long, I figure I can seat the bullets to an OAL of 3.75" instead of 3.65" yet still shoot factory (A-Square) ammo if I want to. I'd like to get an honest 2400 fps with 500g bullets out of my 24" barrel.
I'll let you all know how it works out,
Chuck
I'll let you all know how it works out,
Chuck
guntotin_fool
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Socrates, please do not take this as an attack, but you have a fortune in guns really only suited for Africa, yet you said you have never been there. Do you plan to go soon? or are you just collecting?
Hi
I think you misunderstand. At NO time did I say that I owned anything other then a 375 H&H, and a couple .30's, 30-06, and 7.62 x 54R, and a 22lr.
I'm just lucky that I have a friend that builds a LOT of guns for Africa, and, I get to shoot them, or test his clients guns. The guys are going to Zim in 2009, so it's hard not to get caught up in the Africa Fever. I'm getting old, I like open sites, and, the only thing I'd probably be hunting is something hunting me.
The Double Merkel's where brought to the shop, and, they had to be test fired, prior to sale, for a gunshop down the road. One thing we have learned is you need a few folks around to test shoot the big guns, since you can't shoot a bunch of em at once.
Here's Sean and his .500 Nitro Express:
And, here is Jack shooting MY 375 H&H:
The gun I'm discussing reboring.
Jack Huntington and the crew hunt as much as they can, and, test the stuff they design and build on animals. Jack was hoping to test his .500JRH, but, he can't get a pistol through South Africa...
Thanks, Chuckscap.
I was lucky. CZ rep left two 375's at this place, now out of business. Both were display guns. Should have bought both, but, needed more money, and, I didn't think that far ahead. Thought I'd always be able to get them with that kind of wood, for that kind of money.
Got the gun, took it to the range, hangfire.... Again, hangfire...
Gunsmith came over and noticed one missing detail: CZ had pulled the firing pin for display, and, had failed to install another...
Took nearly 2 months to get one, get the right one, and, get it installed...
Wood is very good, but dark, and, hidden under a not so good finish. Jack cut it pretty much square, and fit it to me. Shoots really well, and, I have a ton of 375 Weatherby ammo, in 375 H&H that I guess I'll have to fireform to .475 Ackley...
I was lucky. CZ rep left two 375's at this place, now out of business. Both were display guns. Should have bought both, but, needed more money, and, I didn't think that far ahead. Thought I'd always be able to get them with that kind of wood, for that kind of money.
Got the gun, took it to the range, hangfire.... Again, hangfire...
Gunsmith came over and noticed one missing detail: CZ had pulled the firing pin for display, and, had failed to install another...
Took nearly 2 months to get one, get the right one, and, get it installed...
Wood is very good, but dark, and, hidden under a not so good finish. Jack cut it pretty much square, and fit it to me. Shoots really well, and, I have a ton of 375 Weatherby ammo, in 375 H&H that I guess I'll have to fireform to .475 Ackley...
socrates, i think in this case you should do as your heart tells you. it sounds as if you have put a lot of thought into it. in the end it is like you said if you settle for less you will allways think "what if i did it my way"
the 458 lott is like you said very popular. i have this theory that calibre tastes will be more or less the same from region to region. i think hunters/ph's tend to influence each other. for instance the popular calibre in namibia is the 270 but in sa the most common is probably the 30-06.
in remote places ph's will tend to buy the same calibre the neighboring ph has so that the ammo is interchangable if need be.
my brother in law worked for a local hunting rifle company in sa and the most big calibres they built on request for ph's were the 416 followed by the 505 and to a lesser extend the 500jef. but remember that they mostly had these kind of rifles as a back-up gun.point in fact is that the 375H&H was so in demand from hunters and ph's that this company had a standard production line that made 375's.
the 458 lott is like you said very popular. i have this theory that calibre tastes will be more or less the same from region to region. i think hunters/ph's tend to influence each other. for instance the popular calibre in namibia is the 270 but in sa the most common is probably the 30-06.
in remote places ph's will tend to buy the same calibre the neighboring ph has so that the ammo is interchangable if need be.
my brother in law worked for a local hunting rifle company in sa and the most big calibres they built on request for ph's were the 416 followed by the 505 and to a lesser extend the 500jef. but remember that they mostly had these kind of rifles as a back-up gun.point in fact is that the 375H&H was so in demand from hunters and ph's that this company had a standard production line that made 375's.
Spoken like a man...
This is the best advice you can get; on another thread in this forum, and in a few others locally I say the same thing.
That calibre (or more often a particular rifle) that touches your heart is the one to go for.
All my other ramblings on this matter is just purely objective. I was of late looking for a good 7x57 for my son, simply because the caliber has some place in our cultural history. What we found was a most excellent 30 year old Musgrave in 30-06, so well looked after and despite having worked hard it still only makes one hole at 80m with plain factory ammunition. It stole my son's heart immediately, and so was the best buy.
Had it been a .308W or in fact a 7x57Mauser the choice would have been the same.
This is the best advice you can get; on another thread in this forum, and in a few others locally I say the same thing.
That calibre (or more often a particular rifle) that touches your heart is the one to go for.
All my other ramblings on this matter is just purely objective. I was of late looking for a good 7x57 for my son, simply because the caliber has some place in our cultural history. What we found was a most excellent 30 year old Musgrave in 30-06, so well looked after and despite having worked hard it still only makes one hole at 80m with plain factory ammunition. It stole my son's heart immediately, and so was the best buy.
Had it been a .308W or in fact a 7x57Mauser the choice would have been the same.
That's kinda where I am too. I bought my 375 H&H with the idea of barreling up, but was concerned about the recoil since it was my first medium/big bore rifle. I honed in on the 470 Capstick after a few months of shooting it, since the 375 recoil was so light. If I was being practical I would either leave it alone or rechamber to 375 Wby Mag. or 458 Lott. For some reason the 458 Lott doesn't do anything for me. A 470 Capstick really is a bit overkill for North America (I figure it will scare the deer and elk to death so I won't have to shoot them) though I do plan to make it to Africa in a few years.
But I really wanted the Capstick and believe if I do it right, it will outperform the Lott by a smidge. So Capstick it is ..
Chuck
But I really wanted the Capstick and believe if I do it right, it will outperform the Lott by a smidge. So Capstick it is ..
Chuck