357 semi not a sig rd

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dieselbeef

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im looking for a semi auto that shoots the same rd as my revolver

not a Coonan or a des eagle

s/w..glock..sig...

haven't seen much out there..how bout some help

thanks
 
The problem with your request is that you are ruling out the only two companies that I can think of that worked to overcome the problems of feeding the rimmed .357 magnum cartridge through a semi.

Maybe if you posted again and said what you disliked about the Coonan and DE products, someone more knowledgeable than I could help you out.
 
Haha mostly the price and size. I'm looking for a carry gun. Neither of them conducive to that. That's why o posted. I couldn't think of any others either. I do have options but none in semi auto 357 mag


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Any semi auto will need to be huge in size to handle the .357 Mag. The grip/magazine needs to be able to hold that long of a cartridge, and the frame/slide/barrel need to be strong enough to contain the pressure as well.

A Coonan is smaller than the DE, but still bigger than a normal 1911. Your best best may be a revolver. Possibly a LCR in .357 if you want easy to carry.
 
I think the smallest you're gonna get in a semi is the Coonan Compact. Just get yourself a smaller revolver for carry. LCR, Sp101, Model 60, ect...
 
not a Coonan or a des eagle

s/w..glock..sig...

haven't seen much out there..how bout some help
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There is none. Nothing in current production, anyway. At one time, you could get an LAR GRIZZLY in .357Mag, but it is long out of print...

THERE ARE NO COMPACT .357 semis in the same size as compact 9mms.

A Coonan is smaller than the DE, but still bigger than a normal 1911.
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Yes, bigger than a 1911, but not a lot. My Coonan Model A is 1/4" larger in length, height, and width than a standard Govt Model 1911A1.

1/4" in all directions. (yes, I've measured it). Not a lot, really.

I don't know the Coonan Compact model, but from the name I would expect it to be the size of a 1911 or smaller.

S&W, GLock, SIG, etc. have no interest in the market, you won't see any semi auto .357 Magnum from them, unless you personally pony up the cash for them to design and make one. (probably a few million)

Good Luck
 
Yeah, Grizzly is the only other one I could think of.

You are probably stuck with a revolver or a different caliber.
 
44 AMP said:
THERE ARE NO COMPACT .357 semis in the same size as compact 9mms.
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...and this is the reason that the .357 SIG cartridge exists in the first place. :) Its purpose is to fit a round with the performance of a 110-125gr .357 Magnum bullet from a 3"-4" barrel into a nominally 9mm-size pistol, without the risks of using 9mm+P+.

The SIG round can't duplicate the performance of .357 Magnum from a 6" or longer barrel, but since the thread concerns small concealable firearms, it's not realistic to expect that level of performance anyway. :rolleyes:
 
Haha, want another .357 for carry given the impossible qualifications you seem to want? Okay... COP derringer.

You get .357 Mag, only 4 shots, one of the worst triggers you have ever met, slow reloads, a smallish kinda footprint that weighs more than a Hydramatic transmission AND as a special bonus, they are now "collectible" so the prices are ridiculous.
 
As already noted the Coonan is only slightly larger than a 1911. It can be concealed with about any method that would work for a full size 1911.

For an easily concealed carry option the .357, in an auto loader, is not very practical. Once you make it small enough for that you are getting into J frame capacity and a J frame is already great for concealing.

EDIT: But if you find one let me know. I will get one to keep next to my Coonan.
 
Not really helpful to the OP but I have been playing around with what I call the ".357" SIG (not standard 357 SIG exactly....). Basically I reload new Starline 357 SIG brass with actual .357" .357 Magnum bullets.

From 4.5" bbl (KKM in a Glock) I've ran:
125gr XTP @ 1,620 fps
140gr XTP @ 1,460 fps
158gr XTP @ 1,390 fps

I've ran some from a 6" KKM barrel too, adds roughly 100 fps but the point is this, the ".357" SIG is no joke! Can an actual 357 Mag do better? Sure, but for the record my fastest .357 Mag 158gr JHP from a 6.5" Ruger Blackhawk was running about 1,500 fps and I'm basically getting that with the 6" bbl Glock.

I've played around with warm .40's for years (10mm-level) so I figured it was time to see what the 357 SIG should have been (in other words, use actual .357" bullets not .355" 9mm bullets).

That is all.
 
You could always look into a Colt Combat Commander in .38 Super Automatic...
And yes, thanks to the semi-rim and essentially equivalent pressure... You can run it in your .357, depending on how happy it is at extracting a much smaller rim.

It's been done before, but typically discouraged because .38 Super is much more expensive than run-of-the-mill .357. But for your purpose, it would work and generate style points ;)

/starts donning flame suit for recommending a largely unknown cartridge compatibility
 
/starts donning flame suit for recommending a largely unknown cartridge compatibility
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According to my books, the .38 Super is 0.005" LARGER in case diameter than the .357 Magnum. Manufacturing tolerances being what they are, I'm sure some .38 Super will fit in some .357 chambers. So, I won't flame you for that.

However, shooting .38 Super in a .357 revolver has NOTHING to do with the OP of this thread, which is asking about .357 Magnum semiautos.

Never ceases to amaze me how people ask about semiautos, in the Semi-automatic FORUM, and get replies about revolvers.....
 
"...only slightly larger than a 1911..." Not by much. The 'Compact' model runs about 2 lbs. 6.8 oz. vs the 2 pounds 6.0 oz. for a 1911. Bit longer in the grip.
Still runs $2,120.00 MSRP for the sexy black one. $1,674.00 for the SS.
Desert Eagles are just friggin' enormous. Weighs a tick over 3 pounds empty. $1,363.72 at Buds. You need hands like a monkey for a DE. Quite pleasant to shoot though.
 
Why not a .40S&W or 10mm auto?

I think the .40S&W is very similar to the .357magnum; the .40 pushes a 165gr projectile at about 1200fps in full power loads, which is very comparable to .357 out of a 4" barrel, and 180gr at 1100 with full power loads. Sure the .40 is slightly larger in diameter and thus doesnt have quite the SD of the revolver cartridge, but it is very compact and there are boatloads of pistols chambered for it to choose from. The ammunition is priced affordably, and can be loaded with 200gr hardcasts for woods duty or hollow points of many weights for human or rabid dog defense.

Then there is the 10mm auto, which is a beast of a rimless pistol round. Here are some semi-autos chambered in 10mm

Glock 20
Glock 40
Glock 29
Tanfoglio witness
Sig sauer P220
Many 1911 makers (rock island being cheapest @$600)
 
The Grizzly was available in several calibers including .357mag, .50AE, .45 WinMag, 9mm WinMag, and probably a couple of others that don't come to mind right now. But, like the Coonan, it's much larger than a normal 1911.

If you want .357mag power in a 1911 from factory ammo look at the 9x23 Winchester. If you can't find one you can convert a 9mm or .38 Super by fitting a 9x23 Win barrel to it. I have a Colt .38 Super with 9mm and 9x23 Winchester barrels, factory Winchester 124gr & 125gr ammo run at 1450+fps out of a 5" barrel. Not too shabby from a regular size 1911 with 9 or 10rd mags. And, if you handload, you can really work up some smoking hot loads.

No, that doesn't solve your ammo compatibility desire but it's as close as you'll get performance wise, since your only .357mag auto choices are the DE, Coonan, and Grizzly thanks to the length of the .357mag cartridge.
 
Would 9mm largo work in a 357 revolver if you had some kind of "moon clips"?

If so, you could carry a Star or Astra semiautomatic and 357 revolver that used the same ammo.
 
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