.357 Dilemma - Different Variation

A GP 100? A 686? How mundane...Good, but oh, so ordinary. Everybody and his cousin has one of those.

Now a 27-2, or older Smith & Wesson. That will stand out at the range.

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Ok. Maybe to nice to bang around in the woods. If that's the case, look for a 28-2.

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I'm partial to shorter barrels, but you can get longer.
 
I would recommend a Smith & Wesson Model 686-Plus holds 7 rounds and you can get it in a 4" or 6"' Barrell. I have a 6" and have put many rounds of 357 and 38+p ammo through it. The action just gets smoother with time. I also live in the country and it makes a great weapon to take afield.
 
which 357?

Do you have any other revolvers? I have a S&W K-frame Model 65 (3") and a Colt Diamondback (4" .38) which is very similar to the Python. The Colt's a nickel model - neither the Diamondback nor Python were ever offered in stainless as far as I know - and very smooth - a quality piece. However, I can't get used to it's cylinder release. The Smith's cylinder release seems quite natural. You should try both. FWIW, the wife prefers the Diamondback but it could be because it's so shiney.
 
Go handle a S&W 620 and then hold a GP100. Even though it's a weirdo 7 shot you will like the way the Smith feels in your hand!
 
The only problem I have with the 27/627 family is the number of variations. My brain gets swamped with the choices. I assume that newer versions have "the lock" so I'd have to search for a "pre-lock"... And there are so many out there; I'm afraid to buy one unless I'm holding it in my hands and my choices for that are few.

All you have to do is educate yourself. There is nothing complicated about it, and there are many books and tons of info on the internet. Aside from pre lock, there are 3 screw, 4 screw and 5 screw guns for many models, pre model number, pre war even. Its worth knowing this stuff so you get the right gun for you the first time.

If I were you, I would purchase one of Smith & Wesson's K, L, or N frame 357 revolvers. The lightest being the K frame and the heaviest the N Frame.

If you went by weight, the L frame is heaviest. N frame has larger dimensions, but if you compare the L frame with full lug (most common) vs N frame with half lug (most common) the L frame is a few oz heavier.

What's the difference between a 27 and 27-2? What about a 27 and 686?

The 27 is a descendant of the first 357 magnum, the S&W registered magnum. Its built on the large N frame, and is a deluxe S&W target revolver. For decades, it was S&W's flagship model. The -2 variant began production the 1960s and lasted until approx 1980 (off the top of my head). It was the last pinned and recessed model 27 made. For 27-3 on, the barrel pinning was dropped, followed by the cylinder recessing. The barrel pin refers to how they were installed; they were screwed on, with a hole placed in a gulley on the barrel and through the frame. The pin was placed through there. This was removed as a cost cutting measure. Some like the nolstagia of this feature, although it is not actually better IMO. The cylinder recessing refers to a small step/indentation at the rear of the cylinder which allows the cartridges to sit flush in the cylinder. In other words, if you loaded a recessed cylinder, and held it up so it was right in front of your eye, you couldn't see the shells if you looked across the rear face. That recessing of the cylinder was only on rimfires and magnum guns IE not 38 special, 32 S&W long, 45 acp, etc.

The 686 was a medium frame magnum revolver designed to replace the K frame 357 due to weight issues causing them to be shot loose (not often) and more importantly the forcing cone failures at the thinner 1800 spot. The L frame was heavier with a full width forcing cone. The K frame 357 was kind of luck putting Chevy 350 in a AMC Gremlin, if you get it in, there is just enough room. The medium K frame was designed for the 38 special and its pressure, not for the 357 magnum. It worked however, but was not as durable as the latter L frame.

No offense but judging by this thread I wouldn't recommend any older or out of production revolver. Not a slight but you simply don't know enough about them yet to understand what you are buying.

This is reasonable advice but you could instead educate yourself about all of these revolvers. Consider joining other forums, buy a few books, and talk to some people. And oh yea, ask many questions. Its not rocket science, although there is a lot of bad information floating around.

A GP 100? A 686? How mundane...Good, but oh, so ordinary. Everybody and his cousin has one of those.

I agree with this advice. Nothing wrong with those 2 models, but its like having a Winchester 30-30. They are also a little too modern for my preferences although I do have a 686-3 and a 586 no dash.

The Colt's a nickel model - neither the Diamondback nor Python were ever offered in stainless as far as I know

Both of those Colts were nicke or blue. However, the Python was offered in SS in the 1980s, with either a matte look, or the ultimate bright. SS Pythons are sought after, but really aren't rare. No Diamondbacks were made in SS as regular production models.

So, if price is no object, and the objective is to have a good, special .357 SS 4" barrel, mostly to be used at the range but also to carry about on my property (I live in the country) and sit on my bed table, what is the best choice??? Security Six, Python, other..??

I recommend a S&W 66 P&R gun. The model was discontinued, but it had a lower failure rate than the model 19 from what I read. It was a K frame, so it handles really well: nice in light, and feels great. It has adjustable sights. They are pretty sought after. I'm lucky enough to have one, and it is the best multipurpose 357 out of all of my 357s. I do really enjoy my 27-2 6in gun. Recently I took my 28-2 4in out and they are really nice too. It all depends. 357s are my favorite other than 22s and so I couldn't have just 1 or 2 or 5 :eek:
 
Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread. Some of the comments have been very thorough and were helpful to myself as I'm sure they were to other readers.

I've narrowed my choice down to a S&W 66 (P&R) and a Colt King Cobra; both in 4" barrel. Both are classics; both look beautiful; and I would expect both to work very well. I believe the Colt is slightly heavier (L frame?). The S&W would probably feel more familiar to those used to that make.

Can anyone add any last thoughts as to why one might be preferable to the other?

Thanks again...

PS. To those suggesting other makes/models; there is a plethora of great guns in this class and at some point I just have to chose and more forward ;)
 
For the price of a Python you could have 3 to 4 Security Six models (different barrel lengths) or a Dan Wesson pistol-pack or a GP/SP combination. I would rather have my HD, SD, Range, Carry/hiking and hunting covered for the same price. I say this because I recently spent $1000 for 3 Security Six revolvers. I'll take "quality and quantity" over just "quality" any day.
Just a little tid-bit from your thrifty neighborhood skidder. :D

but.... If I just wanted ONE.... I would go with the Dan Wesson Pistol Pack. Quality, and it's still considered just ONE. ;)
 
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OK. I know everyone has great ideas about different solutions to my question. But for now, please assume the only two guns available in the entire world are a S&W 66 P&R and a Colt King Cobra... Which will it be...

"If you were ship wrecked on a desert island and there were only two guns in a box and you could only take one on the crude raft you had fashioned...";)
 
Any of these will do!

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While I have others that blued Security Six above is my 'light' field gun (a SRH .454 is my HEAVY field gun!)

But a good Security SIx, GP-100, 686 S&W will all do. Even the N frames Smiths if you can get one.

But I use the Security Six and I reload 158gr SWC at 1000 fps for most use.

Deaf
 
I have owned a good number of 357s , bought , sold and traded . right now my bedside gun is a S&W 66-1 , For stout and Accuracy I would put my Freedom arms up against Any 357 ever made.
A few years back a freind sold 3 Rugers to buy his first Freedom arms , When i asked him later how he liked it he said " I wish i had 3 more Rugers I could sell so i could get another one"
 
Here are my 357 revolvers. Mostly S&W. I had a Colt Python, but I sold it because its not what people say or at least, I guess I always get the Pythons that aren't supernatural

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S&W 27-2 3.5 from the mid 70s

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Ruger 3 screw blackhawk from 1968

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My favorite multipurpose - S&W model 66 from 1974 - P&R with original SS rear sight. The model 66 is everything you need and nothing that you don't.

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A few I sold

Colt Python 1969

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Colt Trooper MKIII 1970

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Hey Winchester_73,

I'm looking at a 66 identical to yours except the grips completely encase the handle except for the top back strap and and wood curves around to meet the trigger guard. I suppose they had different grip options or perhaps the grips changed slightly with the year... ?
 
As to the "Holy Grail" of 357s, the Python is up there, but too common. The "Holy Grail" would have to be an original S&W Registered Magnum, with box and registration papers of course. But then I wouldn't take that to the range, much.
Anyways, between the S&W 66 and the King Cobra, get the snake. Unless you plan to shoot the daylights out of it. I have fired only one King Cobra, years ago, but when the Pythons are all in museums the KCs will be their successors. I believe the actions are almost as smooth, but not quite as delicate as a Python. The Dan Wesson is a good suggestion also, especially in a complete pistol pac. It all depends on which flavor you like best, I usually prefer something just to be a little different.
 
As to the "Holy Grail" of 357s, the Python is up there, but too common. The "Holy Grail" would have to be an original S&W Registered Magnum

Ya I meant to say that earlier. The RM is certainly the holy grail for being the first 357, it was a total custom gun, rare, valuable, collectible, sought after, as well being a cut above the rest as far as quality. The reason why people say "Python is the holy grail" is because thats what they know. A RM is in a different collector class and between their rarity and value, most people don't get to own one or shoot "uncle billy's" RM whereas Uncle Billy may have 2 Pythons. I myself am hopeful to own a RM someday.

Anyways, between the S&W 66 and the King Cobra, get the snake. Unless you plan to shoot the daylights out of it. I have fired only one King Cobra, years ago, but when the Pythons are all in museums the KCs will be their successors. I believe the actions are almost as smooth, but not quite as delicate as a Python.

The King Cobra will cost more, but offer little to no advantage. If you get one for a good price ($600 or below) thats one thing, but thats hard to do. I've never owned one and I've never really found an affordable KC. The 66 is smaller and lighter and more useful. You had mentioned that the gun will be carried. Also keep in mind that the KC was a duty gun, more or less like a Colt Trooper in SS which competed with the 686. The Python was more of a deluxe revolver, like a S&W 27.

I'm looking at a 66 identical to yours except the grips completely encase the handle except for the top back strap and and wood curves around to meet the trigger guard.

The grips on mine, which show the entire grip frame are known as "magnas" and the grips you speak of are often called "target" grips but occasionally called "presentation" although realy presentation grips are completely smooth and not often seen. You could have had the gun with either type. I prefer the magnas, but some people like target grips better.
 
Oh man, just when the vote is starting to tilt towards the 66, another vote for the KC comes in...

The Python may be the holy grail but it's too expensive for me to justify as a range/carry gun; ditto anything with "papers"... ;)

Current prices currently available to me (for a like new gun) are circa $800 for a 66 P&R and circa $1200-1300 for a KC... just in case the price should influence the vote. I'm not too concerned about that price delta if the KC is felt to be a better shooting classic :)
 
The Python may be the holy grail but it's too expensive for me to justify as a range/carry gun; ditto anything with "papers"...

Its not the holy grail. I explained why.

Oh man, just when the vote is starting to tilt towards the 66, another vote for the KC comes in...

As I said, for general use, its heavier and bigger. Its not of better quality, and doesn't do anything the smaller handier 66 can't do. The 66 is also cheaper in general.

Current prices currently available to me (for a like new gun) are circa $800 for a 66 P&R and circa $1200-1300 for a KC... just in case the price should influence the vote. I'm not too concerned about that price delta if the KC is felt to be a better shooting classic

Thats way too much for either. Shop around more. A nice 66 can be had for $500 and a King Cobra for under $800.
 
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