.357 Colt Python question

Let me get this straight

I would like to ask a question to the other participants:

What was the revolver used as inspiration by Willi Korth to create this weapon?

The answer is simple: The Colt Python. And why is it?

Because nobody wants to rely on second place.

The python is arguably the definitive double-action revolver. He became the parameter by which all others are compared.

Or someone here will question the ability of Willi Korth?
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Ok, so let me get this straight - you are assuming (to the 1000th power) that Korth, intentionally styled his "masterpiece" revolver (hey, they look pretty nice, but I have no experience with them) on an American revolver with an obsolete action and a backwards cylinder release? Really? C'mon man!

Also, you wrongly assumed that someone would criticize Willi Korth (I think he's great) but instead, you ironically criticized him yourself. What could I mean by that? How did you do it? Well its because you accused him of basing his masterpiece DA revolver on some over rated fool's gold "zenith / God's own / Rolls Royce" revolver that failed to stay in production? There is no way that Willi Korth "stole" or copied anything from a Python. Why would he? How did he copy the Python? Don't give me the naive beginner answer of "well look, a vent rib and a lug - its a copy" - give me something substantial or maybe you need some revolver remediation.

The Korth gun has the Colt style sights, the side plate on the same side as a Colt, and it has the vent rib barrel with a full lug. I assume you think he copied the Python because his gun has a vent rib and a full lug (along with similiar sights). If you think that means he copied the Python, you apparently have no idea what you're talking about regarding any of this. He did not copy, intentionally or not, the Python. The lock work is different, his cylinder release is actually genius (in my opinion), and the sights really don't make a Python anyways, although I definitely prefer S&W sights. The side plate can only go on one side or the other. And the barrel rib, well hell, I guess some shotgun makers copy the Python, and so did High Standard with the Victor. The list goes on. They all copied the Python!

PS - you also picked out one specific Korth revolver, featured in that video, the Troja, but they make (and have made) plenty of other models. The gun in the video is not the only revolver made by Korth. But you knew all of that? Right?

Because nobody wants to rely on second place.
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Funny how "second" place never went out of production, has a major following, and was never bested by "First" place in any kind of serious competition. Its obvious that S&W all along (probably since the 1930s or so anyway) had the better products, better leadership, better ideas, and a better company which is what it takes to survive, not gimmicks such as a vent rib on a revolver or a blue good enough for a Prince. None of that will you get anywhere by itself, and if you don't believe me, read up on the Python IE its discontinuation - that's the proof right there. It stopped selling because it didn't live up to the hype of today when it was brand new. The other "reasons" for the Python discontinuation don't add up and they never have.

When someone lives in a country with limited access to many firearms, of course their opinion will differ - how could that person gain the experience that someone in America can gain on firearms? Certainly the first hand experience would be very limited = one of the many reasons opinions can differ, on anything really, not just guns. Its only natural, for example, for a rookie in karate to have a different opinion than a black belt would, which is what makes that person a rookie and the black belt a black belt - a knowledge and experience difference.

In closing, I don't know if any of you like football, esp the NFL but there is a segment on ESPN known as "c'mon man" which usually features funny football clips, of plays or happenings, which should not have happened, for various reasons. Well when I see threads like this, where there is simply a bit too much crap posted in the thread, I think "c'mon man!" - just like the show.

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If Smith&Wesson has the best ideas, why does it constantly steal ideas from other manufacturers, like Glock, Colt and others?

If Smith&Wesson has the best products, why did it have never had a project successful semiautomatic service pistol, limited copying European projects, like Walther P99 or Glock?

And now...

If Smith & Wesson is a very successful company, why did it have constantly changed his landlord over the years :rolleyes::

Bangor Punta Corp.;
Lear Siegler Corp.;
Forstmann Little&Co.;
Tomkins Ltd.

Regarding the availability of firearms in my country, we will expect to finish the term of Barack Obama to have a final conclusion. Until then, I will continue to buy in Miami or Texas many products that most Americans citizens has no access, or even know they exist.

Netto
 
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Well, I don't know if I should add more fuel to an already well stoked fire, but........

My opinion of a good revolver is its ability to put my bullets where I intend them to be, time and time again. And to handle a steady diet of my handloads.

Given this ability, nearly every handgun I've ever owned, with a few junkers I acquired over the years, has been capable of doing this. All else is frosting on the cake. Maybe so you prefer chocolate while someone else prefers coconut. To the one, chocolate is best, while to the other, coconut is best. And never will one convince the other.

Bob Wright
 
If Smith & Wesson is a very successful company, why did it have constantly changed his landlord over the years :

Bangor Punta Corp.;
Lear Siegler Corp.;
Forstmann Little&Co.;
Tomkins Ltd.
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Uhhhhh...because it IS a very successful company and makes money for those people who have spent money to purchase it over the years?
 
Well, I don't know if I should add more fuel to an already well stoked fire, but........

My opinion of a good revolver is its ability to put my bullets where I intend them to be, time and time again. And to handle a steady diet of my handloads.

Given this ability, nearly every handgun I've ever owned, with a few junkers I acquired over the years, has been capable of doing this. All else is frosting on the cake. Maybe so you prefer chocolate while someone else prefers coconut. To the one, chocolate is best, while to the other, coconut is best. And never will one convince the other.
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Bob is Wright! Get it? Anyways, he makes a good point. We don't all have to like the same things, and really, we are better off to all be different. I was going to post all of the things that S&W originated in response to "S&W borrowed many of their ideas" because believe me, for each thing they borrowed, they were copied 10x. However, there is no point though in posting that, since most everyone knows how much S&W has contributed to pistols and revolvers, and two, it keeps the fire burning.

Lets bury the hatchet fellas, and shoot our S&W 357s alongside the Pythons in peace.
 
.....All else is frosting on the cake.
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Frosting is the best part of the cake! Anyone can make a steel clunker; only artists can skillfully take that clunker and finish it into a masterpiece.

I hope that no-one who actually owns a Korth (newer model) Revolver is arguing that it is second to a Python. Because, if that's the case, I have a Python I'd be willing to trade for for your 2nd-place Korth.:D
 
<< . . . not gimmicks such as a vent rib on a revolver or a blue good enough for a Prince.>>

Those "gimmicks" work for me just fine:

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dgludwig said:
I agree Skans. A cake without icing is, well, like cookies without milk.
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Ah, but as I said, some prefer chocolate, some prefer coconut.

For those who don't care for chocolate, the best chocolate cake in the world won't appeal to him.

As I said, I loved my Python, but when it came down to the nitty-gritty, my Ruger Blackhawk is the one I turned to. You simply don't take a classic Packard to the mud hole.

Bob Wright
 
Analogy: The Python is a Mona Lisa while your _______________ is the portrait of Ben Franklin on a C note. Both of value, both a degree of artistry, the latter more practical in real life situations. You could spend old Mona at the grocery store for a bag of groceries but wouldn't get near its value, but, the Python would look better hanging in the living room.
 
I got this Python (2004?) for $850 and it just had some very slight holster wear near the muzzle. Two weeks later I picked up another one (mint) for $750. I sold the second one to a nagging buddy for the same price and he still likes to bring it out when I visit (*$%!), I'll never get it back...

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My father has a 6" Blued Python that is 98-99% condition. It has a letter from Colt concerning the custom trigger work done by them. I saw one on GB the other day with the same work done to it the guy wanted $3500.00 for it, but from the pictures it was not in as good a condition. We compared it to my 6" stainless GP100 one afternoon and shot a few rounds from each with various loads. I liked shooting my GP100 better it handled all loads better in my opinion. The one thing I will say is it had the cleanest trigger of any revolver I have shot, and it was a work of art as far as finish goes. If I owned it it would be just for collecting, can't see shooting it loose and wearing it out. The GP is for that.
 
In the seventies, I had one that I used for police carry and for police combat. I liked the single-action, but the double-action is not as good as the S&W because it's a single-lever system and tends to get heavier through the pull. The Smith has a gear-effect that maintains nearly the same DA pull throughout and releases smoothly. The Python trigger tends to move rearward after the DA releases. I slicked mine up and it shot well, but best of all was the way it pointed for me. I could hit pretty well from the hip.

Since the introduction of the L-Frame S&W, it's no-contest as far as shooting goes. Unfortunately, Pythons are a collector's item, not as much a shooter's gun these days.

I have two K-Frame Model 19s that I even like to shoot better than I did my Python, but the L-Frame guns are better shooters that either.

BTW, I found my papers for the Python that was purchased about 1972 and I paid $275 for it. I wouldn't pay $900 for one today...but that's me.
 
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