"It also had a resurgence a few years back in single shot rifles with exposed hammers, as states like MS and LA allowed it for primitive season deer hunting."
That's something that never made any sense to me.Back in the day when single shots ruled, especially for the heavier cartridges the was at least one falling block rifle available that I can think of and there may have been more that just weren't all that common. Think Sharpe's Borchart. Just because the Ruger #1 doesn't have an exposed hammer it's illegal to hunt with one during that "special" season. Frankly, that's total BS. I know if I lived in one of those states I'd be raising some serious unholy hell trying to get that changed.
Paul B.
I got one sorta like that--I was bow hunting once out of a portable ground blind (i'll never do that again) which I set up facing a stream with known deer paths. The shooting portal was facing into the wind and there was a berm behind me about the same height as the top of the shelter on the downwind side directly behind me. I thought it was a great spot--and it was--except when I heard the crunch crunch in the leaves it was coming from behind me, all I could see through the narrow view slits was a set of hooves maybe two feet away. I tried moving as slowly as I could to see if I could exit--but he was gone--I think he was contemplating pissing on the shelter maybe.Yep. I had a Buck Deer step over my legs...when I was Elk hunting. Had a 7 pt. Bull Elk play ring around the Pine Tree with me...while I was Deer hunting.
Just because the Ruger #1 doesn't have an exposed hammer it's illegal to hunt with one during that "special" season. Frankly, that's total BS.
Game rules are exactly that, GAME rules. Sport hunting times, places and allowable equipment are created by State Fish & Game depts for exactly that, a sporting game. What makes sense or doesn't is up to the Game dept, and you can have input. Doesn't mean they'll change anything right away, because its about what they consider best for the game animals, and the majority of hunters not about what makes things easy for you or I.
I’m just taking a wild guess, but possibly the rule for an external hammer is a safety issue? The unexposed rifle would depend on a manual safety which may accidentally get disengaged unknowingly creating a dangerous situation, where an external hammer needs to be manually cocked which may be construed as being safer. Of course carelessness or user error can defeat either of these arguments."Game rules are exactly that, GAME rules. Sport hunting times, places and allowable equipment are created by State Fish & Game depts for exactly that, a sporting game. What makes sense or doesn't is up to the Game dept, and you can have input. Doesn't mean they'll change anything right away, because its about what they consider best for the game animals, and the majority of hunters not about what makes things easy for you or I."
I can agree with you for the most part but do so when they discriminate against one style of rifle because it do not have an external hammer. A single shot rifle in just that. One shell in the chamber and one has to reach for a source of another round and chamber it to fire another shot. It take just about the same amount of time depending on ones dexterity to reload a Browning B78 or the Ruger Number One. I have both style rifles and I can load them rather quickly and see no noticeable difference in the speed of reloading for another shot. In fact, on a good day I can chamber another round about as fast as the average hunter can using a bolt action should I need to do so. I just fail to see their logic.
Paul B.
MarkCO said:The only issue with the TSX and TTSX is they NEED velocity to be over about 2200 fps to expand. That is, therefore limiting them in range
The 0.308" 165gr TTSX is a shorter ogive than the 0.308" 168gr TTSX. We offer both for different cartridges to work within SAAMI COAL limits. The 308 168gr works well in the 308 WIN and 30-06 which allow more exposed bullet to be seated out further. The 165gr was designed for cartridges more like the 300 WIN MAG which require a shorter ogive to work within SAAMI limits.
When handloading, you can use either in a 300 WIN MAG just realize with the 168/175gr that you will need to seat it out a little further that the SAAMI max COAL and check proper fit and function in your particular firearm.
They all function to similar velocities. The 168gr and 175gr LRX will open up at a lower velocity (around 1600 ft/s) than the 165gr (around 1800 ft/s). For best performance we recommend keeping impact velocity a few hundred feet above this minimum.
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Greggory Sloan | Ballistics Lab Supervisor
Barnes Bullets, LLC
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they discriminate against one style of rifle because it do not have an external hammer.
I have taken elk as distances from about 75 yards (twice) to 350 yards as laser measured by my guide. Cartridge is the .35 Whelen, 225 gr. TSX ay 27710 FPS MV. Trajectory is about the as a 30-06 with 180 gr. spitzer flat base bullet.
Paul B.
So the best way to find out what kind of wiggle room you have is to contact Barnes directly. However, I'll agree the more velocity the better as a general rule with all mono metal bullets.