340PD : It's a Spicy Meatball

Chris W

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I applied for my CHL last month, and in the long waiting space (90 days they tell us in NC), I've been agonizing for weeks about what I intend to use it on, so to speak. Well, I've got a Kahr which will work well for IWB use, but it's pretty hot here much of the time, and I really liked the idea of having the option of pocket carry. I had just about settled on a P32, when a thread on this forum made me realize I wouldn't really trust that tiny little bullet; I wanted a snubby. And the snubby I wanted was, insanely, the 340PD.

This little scandium gun had so many charms--well, really just two. The undisputed versatility of a .357/.38, and an incredible, pocket-loving 12 ounces. When the gunshop had a new one on the shelf with a Hi-viz sight yesterday, it was all too much. I caved, knowing that my heart would continue longing for this gun even if I did try to appease it with another (like the P32, or another lightweight snub without the .357 option [e.g., an Airweight]).

It was an agonizing 6 hours before I could get to the range to try it out, to discover whether I really had the cojones (sp?) to handle this tiny thing. The only ammo I had was some 158 gr. +p .38, and I will add my testimonial to others: with heavy bullets, this superlight snubbie delivers a bracing whack. Not so much flip as I expected, but a kind of upwards-and-backwards SMACK and a briefly lingering sting in the palm. Didn't have any problem with the trigger guard smacking my finger or anything--and since it's a Centennial, there's no hammer to bite. I was firing basically for the feel of it, at 7 yards, and had no trouble keeping all shots inside the black of a 25 yrd. target--what's that, a 5 or 6" diameter? I know it'll shoot considerably better as I grow accustomed to it. Working out the mechanics of how to grip such a little gun, and what part of the trigger finger to use, and how, turns out to be a bit trickier for me than any problem with flinching.

Now I plan to back down to 125 gr. standard pressure rounds to gain proficiency, and build up to 125gr. +p's, then hopefully up to where I can confidently handle the 'mellow' 125 gr. .357 loads like the Rem. Golden Saber. Is this gun as fun to shoot as my 686? Nowhere near. But it is an amazingly light, easy gun to carry; and I know I will carry it much more than I would something heavier, and with greater confidence than I would something less potent. Any carry gun, as many here have remarked, is a compromise. But the super-lightweight technology that makes a 12 oz. .357 snub possible will make me, personally, feel a little less compromised :) Do I recommend it? Not if it's anyone's first or only major caliber handgun. But for its own particular job? You betcha.

So there's my little testimonial: sorry it's a bit long for a post. Also, I want to thank the many folks who shared their experiences with the scandium and other snubs, and whose words were instrumental in my decision--branrot, snubbie, rov, BigG, Ken Chavez and others :cool:

CW
 
Congrats, you'll enjoy it.

Now, go find yourself an ankle holster (Galco or Desantis are my choice, though others swear by Alessi and Renegade), and you'll be set.
 
Thanks, branrot--ankle carry really could be an option with this gun, though it's one I've never thought seriously about. I'll look at the holsters you recommend, maybe give it a try!

CW
 
Ah yes...

The old "Kick You Where You Live" recoil.:D
This is why I looked and looked for a 331, .32 H&R Magnum, AirLite Ti.
Gentle (sorta) recoil and a good light defensive revolver to boot. Little too much arthritis in my shootin' hand for a 12 ounce .357 magnum!

KR
 
The eternal conundrum with light guns. They are not made for a lot of practice, but you can't shoot them well without a lot of practice, but they recoil so bad you don't want to practice, but you can't shoot them well... You can see where this is going.

Shoot it with light, even wadcutter loads, until you feel reasonably good with it, and then work up to the heavy loads. Decide what loads you want to carry, then fire enough of those that you can be proficient and not be too bothered by the recoil. DA only shooting is tough for some people, but the old rules to concentrate on the sights and squeeze the trigger still apply. A gun like that is not for 100 yards (though you might be surprised at what it would do at that range), and for close range, DA is fine. With no hammer to get in the way, the gun is very slick out of a holster from under a coat or jacket.

Jim
 
KR: I got a chance to shoot one of those little .32 magnums; that was one of the things that made me dare to think I could take on the 340. That's a nice little gun, too, for sure.

Snubby and KC: Thanks :cool:

Jim: I'm looking now for bulk factory reloaded .38 to get in the practice it will require (since I don't reload myself, and now is not a good time for me to start). Any suggestions?

Also, this is a Centennial version, so I won't be tempted by SA--it's DOA. Thanks for the help.

CW
 
Chris...
You are to be commended for planning to shoot it enough to get good with it.
So few do
And falsely think they are well armed.

Sam
 
Always like this kind of feedback....

Hello Chris:
I am also agonizing over my "step-up" pocket self-defense gun.
For me, weight and bulk are the overriding factors in choosing a stout pocket gun. The Kahr PM9 was in the running but the negative feedback I've read on the current Kahr line, plus the fact that it weighs about 19 oz fully loaded, has me thinking something else.

That left the 342PD or the 340PD. Yes, I genuinely prefer a wheelgun for self-defense anyway and the only factor is the price. If you don't mind, what was your out-the-door price for the 340PD? The ones in my area seem to fetch very-inflated prices.

It's probably going to be a "carry-a-lot, shot-a-little" handgun, if I opt for the 340PD.

I've had plenty of exposure to firing full-power loads out of small, lightweight guns and the recoil simply does not bother me.

Appreciate your comments; it helps me make an informed decision.
 
22lovr,

I thought about--and actually got to handle, though not shoot--a Pm9 prior to making my decision. It felt alright, and I basically would have trusted a Kahr, having had very good experiences with my K9; but it is a few ounces heavier, as you note, and well, there's just nothing like the simple reliability of a wheelgun, is there? I also found that the snub fit better, felt more natural and less 'blocky' in my pocket.

Now the core question you ask is actually kind of embarrasing, 'cause this gun was expensive, and I bought it 'cause I wanted it and happen to be in a place right now where I felt like I could afford it. I paid (gulp) 630 for the Hi-viz version. I think I could have saved maybe 20 bucks by doing a transfer, but not much more. I wouldn't have paid that kind of money if I wasn't very confident that S&W will stand by it for a long time to come--but I am confident, and that's a precious commodity when it comes to guns, I think.

Was it worth that much? I dunno, but I do know it feels real good in my pocket right now. :)

Good luck with your agonizing--
cw
 
22lovr--

A couple other thoughts on your post. In my area, the 342 costs almost exactly as much as the 340, so the choice is not more or less money, but whether you can shoot .357 vs. the 1.2 ounces lighter of the 342 (damn, that thing is REALLY light). I chose the former.

As for 'carry a lot, shoot a little', I'd say yeah, for sure. It's not going to be fun to shoot--but I've got other guns that are fun (and other double-action Smiths, which I think are similar enough for some skills to transfer); and every time I take the fun guns to the range, the pocket gun will go too, for a little brush up and work-out. Maybe eventually shoot a little BUG IDPA, if I can find such around these parts.

cw
 
Thanks for responding.....

Chris: Your price doesn't seem exorbitant at all. What 340PD's you can find over here (south of Atlanta) are pushing a cool $700. If I'm not mistaken, though, I think I saw a couple of 342PD's in the case at Galyan's in Buckhead for $525 and that's not bad at all.

That 340PD has be the mother of all snubs though.

I'm going to have to get some daisies: "340PD, 342PD, 340PD, 342PD, 340PD, etc, etc....."

Oh yes, another question: In your owner's manual, are there any warnings forbidding the shooting of particular bullet weights?
I've heard S&W warns against shooting very lightweight projectiles (110 gr etc) because of the increase risk of flame cutting at the forcing cone and not to use heavier lead ammo because of the risk of the ammo unseating itself (?)

Sorry, it's hard to disguise the fact that I'm VERY interested in getting one of these!
 
22lovr,

Forget the owner's manual; it's right there on the underlug: "NO LESS THAN 120 GR BULLET". The way I understand it, this is because of the possibility of prematurely eroding the forcing cone. That's fine with me, 'cause I buy the arguments that favor penetration over...whatever those magic bullets are supposed to do ;)

The unseating problem is different. Because the recoil is, um, 'brisk', there's a possibility that some bullets will shake out of the case to the extent that they lock up the cylinder rotation. To avoid this possiblity, you're not supposed to shoot high-velocity +p's that are lead. You can shoot standard velocity lead bullets; you can shoot jacketed +p's; and needless to say, I wouldn't shoot lead .357s. I guess the jacketed bullets are less likely to shake out of the case. That's the way I understand it breaks down, anyway.

cw
 
Chris W, you sound exactly like the right type of person for a scandium .357. Keep up the shooting and enjoy your new toy! Congrats!

George
 
Chris W.

Congratulations on a straighforward and accurate analysis. Recently purchased a 386 which is a whopping 18oz. My experiences pretty much parallel yours. Shoot a little carry a lot. Works for me. Good shooting:)
 
Hi, Chris,

Since I do reload, I don't know of any source of bulk buys in .38 Special. I reload mainly wadcutters and shoot a lot in my Model 36 3" square butt, along with enough hot loads to keep me in touch with reality.

Jim
 
good thread

I'm getting anouther snubby for pocket carry, should have it by the middle of next week. A few months ago I regretably sold my 342ti*, and have been looking for a replacement. :rolleyes:

I went with a mod. 442 that was a special run made up by a distributer in 1995 its magnaported and has a front night site. I'm not to sure if I'll like the the magnaporting but the gun was in nib condition, shop owner said he got it from the distibuter in 1995, shot 20rds and put it in his safe.

I think its weight is 15oz but I can shave a quick 1-2oz's or so by changing the uncle mikes boot grips to houge bantum or maybe eagle ss woods.

I also liked the price of $400.00 out the door.
 
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