.338-06?

I'm not at the bench right now, so I can't tell you pressure specifically but was under max pressure for sure.

The powder was my personal favorite: Ramshot Hunter
 
Here is what I get with QL and Hunter doesn't get there without exceeding 110% load ratio.

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Cartridge          : 9.3 x 62
Bullet             : .366, 250, Nosler AccuBond 59756
Useable Case Capaci: 63.935 grain H2O = 4.151 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.290 inch = 83.57 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 55700 psi, or 384 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-17                 106.4     65.8     4.26    2647    99.1    55700    9038   1.108  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                    108.1     65.1     4.22    2602    97.4    55700    8781   1.127  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       105.4     65.7     4.26    2593    94.5    55700    8773   1.121  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     105.4     65.7     4.26    2593    94.5    55700    8773   1.121  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                      110.0     64.8     4.20    2573    97.2    53243    8638   1.153  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                      103.1     61.4     3.98    2569    99.4    55700    8214   1.146  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                          110.0     64.1     4.16    2568    97.1    53331    8597   1.142  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     110.0     66.9     4.34    2562    94.8    53231    8740   1.141  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                      103.2     59.5     3.86    2554   100.0    55700    7736   1.168  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                       95.5     59.4     3.85    2548   100.0    55700    7727   1.151  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                       101.9     61.3     3.98    2547    97.0    55700    8253   1.143  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204                          109.4     66.6     4.31    2544    91.4    55700    8460   1.124  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                       97.2     56.0     3.63    2537   100.0    55700    7395   1.175  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460                       90.9     57.7     3.74    2508    99.8    55700    7492   1.162  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                       102.9     61.5     3.99    2499    93.6    55700    7981   1.149  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                110.0     62.7     4.06    2473    97.9    48817    7919   1.187  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             110.0     68.4     4.43    2419    88.9    49410    7913   1.189  ! Near Maximum !
 
Sorry, it was BIG GAME, not HUNTER.

63.3g - 56312 psi - 2660 fps - 100.8% fill - 34.2% efficient.

But we are digressing....

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My Whelen AI will get 2600 with 250s in a 24 in bbl, so the 9.3x62 (slightly more capacity and more diameter) will do it as well. RL-17 as shown above is excellent, as is Alliant's Power Pro 2000-MR. If you're using a modern rifle, 55k psi is artificially low as well, since other similar cartridges go to 60k+.

The 9.3x62 was not very available back in the '80s when I had my Whelen built, but it's ballistics are about the best of the non-magnum medium bores. The advantage of the Whelen over either the 338-06 or the Mauser is the abundance of pistol bullets which can be fired as well, for practice or small game.
 
My Whelen AI will get 2600 with 250s in a 24 in bbl,
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I believe it. Hodgdon has H4350 (59.8 gr) pushing a 250 gr hornady SP 2540 fps in a .338-06....And I can often do a little better than hodgdon (and sometimes a little worse).

Hornady has their 250 gr bullets doing about 2600 fps in .338-06. and thier 250 gr bullets chambered in 9.3x62 maxing out at 2450. (The .35 Whelen tops out at 2500 fps)

I'm sure you can do better than 2450 fps in the 9.3, but all the data I have found says the .338-06 will push a 225-250 gr bullet as fast or faster than either the .35 or 9.3 mm.

And if I really wanted to duplicate the .338 win mag exactly, I would go to a .338-06 AI Which gets the exact same velocities as the .338 wm (about 130 fps faster than the .338-06 A square). But there is just no reason too.

The longest shot I have ever taken on a deer, elk, antelope, etc was 375 yards.a 225 gr BTSP doing 2750 fps will do that easily
 
Actually,

I need to amend my previous post, there is no bullet weight in any of my manuals or online sources that have either the .35 Whelen or the 9.3x62 pushing a 225 or 250 Grain bullet faster than the .338-06.....And like I said before, if you really want to push the limits of the mid-caliber non-magnums, then the .338-06 Ackley improved is the ticket....The .338-06 AI is basically a non-belted version of the .338 win mag performance wise.
 
I think we can all agree that the 338/06 AI is not your standard off the shelf cartridge. I wasn't saying the 9.3 is the best in every way, but that it's pretty much equal and has been around for over 100 years and is widely available in modern weapons and from many ammo suppliers.

That's all I was saying.

:)
 
I think we can all agree that the 338/06 AI is not your standard off the shelf cartridge. I wasn't saying the 9.3 is the best in every way, but that it's pretty much equal and has been around for over 100 years and is widely available in modern weapons and from many ammo suppliers.
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With that I totally agree!
In fact, if you are not a hand loader (Which I am), the .35 Whelen is a much better choice than a .338-06 too because it's much more common and ammo easier to come by off the shelf.
But since I do not shoot factory center fire ammo in any of my guns, it's availability is irrelevant....All I need are standard .30-06 cases and dies for the .338-06 and I'm in business.

And I am not saying the 9.3 is totally inferior either. Just that the .338-06 is one impressive "non-magnum" round.

Also, the .338-06 AI may not be worth it... Another 75 fps but requires fire forming before you begin load development and the dies are more expensive....Plus at that point you lose the recoil advantage over the .338 win mag
 
disseminator said:
Sorry, it was BIG GAME, not HUNTER.

63.3g - 56312 psi - 2660 fps - 100.8% fill - 34.2% efficient.

But we are digressing....
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Not really because powders that work well in the 9.3X62, usually work quite well in the .338-06 and .35 Whelen.
 
I had a 338/06 built on a 1909 Mauser action about 15 years ago and haven't taken it hunting. At the time, I was making an elk hunt every 2-3 years and the area had some spots that I felt required a bigger diameter bullet than my 7mmRM or 300WM. I simply couldn't handle the recoil of a 338WM and the 338/06 offered similar velocities with a higher SD bullet than the 35 Whelen(besides I like being a little different). Well, the hunting trip fund ran dry and I haven't used the 338/06 but I still feel it has advantages over other bigger bore rounds.
 
The nice thing about the .338 bore is the excellent bullet selection, and you can get some very respectable BCs. A few years ago, I was looking for a medium bore for elk, with Alaska always on my mind. I went with the .338 WM over the others. I figured, you can download easy enough, and I was buying a new rifle. If I were rebarreling a Mauser, I'd probably go 338/06 and avoid opening the bolt face for the magnum.

At the time, I looked hard at the Whelen and the 9.3x62. The Whelen dropped out because I could get heavier, higher BC .338 bullets. The 9.3, well, I ended up buying one of those a couple months ago. Big bullets, oh yeah, but the BC of those available limits range somewhat. Never fired a .35 Whelen, but the 9.3 kicks every bit as hard as the .338 WM with a 286 Hornady over a max load of Re-17. Being an old German, I'm actually considering dropping the WM in favor of the 1905 Mauser round. You know, "Brag about how close you got, not how far you shot."
 
The nice thing about the .338 bore is the excellent bullet selection, and you can get some very respectable BCs
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This is why the military and Lapua went with the .338 (Lapua magnum) for thier anti-personnel ultra long rang sniper round. The available .338 bullets have a superior sectional density (as mentioned by a previous post). The .338 LM is a necked down 416 Rigby.

The sectional density and G7 Ballistic Coefficient of the .338 is really only matched by the 6.5mm and the .50cal. This doesn't mean that other calibers are not good target, hunting, or sniper cartridges....Just that the .338 is somewhat special..... Which is again why I am leaning towards the.338-06.

FIFW I already have a .338 Lapua and love it...But the gun,scope, loaded mag, and bipod weighs almost 21lbs! I use it for shooting long range steel's, I am not packing that humongous thing up a mountain.
 
The 338mag and 338 Laupa has loading data from 160gr TTSX to 300gr Sierra in Hodgdon manual and 30-06 data in Berger manual from 115gr up to 230gr. The 338-06 Hodgon data goes from 160gr up to 250gr.

Could you see 338-06 shooting 300gr Nosler AB or Berger 300gr tac bullet. You also have 338 RUM,340 Wby,338-378 Wby.

There is great bullet for 338 including 338 Federal which may be closer to 338-06.
 
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The 338mag and 338 Laupa has loading data from 160gr TTSX to 300gr Sierra in Hodgdon manual and 30-06 data in Berger manual from 115gr up to 230gr. The 338-06 Hodgon data goes from 160gr up to 250gr.

Could you see 338-06 shooting 300gr Nosler AB or Berger 300gr tac bullet. You also have 338 RUM,340 Wby,338-378 Wby.

There is great bullet for 338 including 338 Federal which may be closer to 338-06.
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I was just making a point with the .338 LM comments, I have a .338 LM and I shoot 300 grain scenars.....Not a good choice in .338-06.

For my 'potential' .338-06 I was thinking about 215-225 gr bullets. At those bullet weights, the .338-06 is within 100 fps of the .338 win mag at almost 2800 - 2700 fps respectively from the .338-06. At weights beyond that, the difference between the.338-06 and .338 win mag opens up due to the case capacity of the 06' vs the win mag.

So I will likely stay in that 215-225 gr range
 
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