.32 Seecamp Ammo Issue NEED HELP PLEASE

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I have a Gorgeous .32 LW Seecamp that was my late fathers. It is relief engraved and stunning and I would LOVE to carry it on a daily basis. Here comes the problem... Seecamp only recommend Hollow point ammo (and I understand) and I can get it but....I live in the Socialist State of NJ... Hollow point ammo is illegal for me to carry unless the tip is polymer filled (they are very common in NJ and are legal).

Can you PLEASE suggest some ammo that I could carry either not hollow point or Polymer filled that will work in this gun? I have three calls into the Seecamp factory but no one returns the calls. FYI... NJ JUST (Two years ago) approved Concealed carry in NJ... I never thought I would be able to carry my father’s gun.. .my mom gave it to me and I am horrified It will never make it to my pocket.

I am hoping for a miracle.. I am praying and hoping to hear from ANYONE WHO CAN HELP. JUST WANT TO CARRY MY DADS GUN AND STILL COMPLY WITH THE LAW.

Thank you and sorry to bother you.
 
You could move. (Just kidding, sorta).

My other thought is to ascertain the overall length of the hollow points recommended for the Seecamp, which I recall was not designed for hollowpoints generally but was designed specifically around the Winchester Silvertip.

If you can find a a full metal jacket (fmj) round of the same cartridge length and similar power as the Silvertip, it might work. Hollowpoints are almost always harder to feed than fmj, so I think cartridge length and energy are the factors to consider. Any gun designed to feed hollowpoints should easily feed fmj of similar specs.

Winchester’s fmj might be designed to match the Silvertip in energy and length as manufacturers sometimes develop a practice load to match their defense loads.

In a pocket.32, you actually might be better off with fmj anyway, to get better penetration.

P.S. I see on the Winchester site the Silvertip is listed at 60 grains. But I do remember the Seecamp was designed around the Silvertip. Maybe Winchester could answer your questions as to what fmj works like the Silvertip.

P.P.S. Wikipedia has a short blurb on the Seecamp. Confirming that it was designed around the Silvertip and that cartridges with an overall length (OAL) longer than 23 mm might not function in it.
 
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I own a Seecamp. Winchester White Box Truncated bullet will fit in the mag and run in the firearm. I have used these in the past. Another option is Hornady Critical Defense. It has a polymer tip on the hollow point. You have to verify that the round is legal. I personally have never tried them, but I know others who did, and according to them, fit in the mag. I have run Hornady XTP rounds in my LWS32 with success. Hope this helps. BTW, the ammo posted in the comment above I don’t think will fit in the mag as it is. It does not have a truncated bullet.
Mike
 
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Hollow point illegal? I thought I have seen any sort of lunacies living in California. I can only guess the reasoning behind it.

A pocket pistol prefers hollow point bullet? I can only guess why. It must be the coal. Flat point bullet may work. How about filling the hollow point "crater" with hot glue or caulking?

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Oh I forgot, another one that I have run in mine and functioned is Underwood Xtreme Defender Solid Monolithic .32 ACP STANDARD Pressure. This is likely the most effective round out of a Seecamp. The published velocity is 950 FPS. I emailed them, and those velocities are through a Seecamp and a Kel-Tec. Both have 2” barrels.
 
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Also, Buffalo Bore make a load that they tested in a Seecamp but I have never tried it nor would I recommend it as the round is a +P load with a 75 Gr. lead flat nose that travels 850 FPS. That’s a heavy bullet at that speed where the Underwood is a 55Gr solid copper.
 
Mine is loaded with Underwood xtreme defender +p. Recoil is ferocious with the +p -- might be unnecessary and more reasonable with their standard pressure load. I ordered some of their extra power recoil springs to keep it from beating itself up. It's nice that you can buy every single part from the factory web page. The factory also makes G10 grips for it now, and the extra stiffness is nice to hold everything together securely.

You could probably also just fill the nose of some silvertips with a drop of epoxy. But double check the law to be sure it would fully satisfy. And it should go without saying that it needs to be tested for reliability, no matter what ammo you choose.
 
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Mine is loaded with Underwood xtreme defender +p. Recoil is ferocious with the +p -- might be unnecessary and more reasonable with their standard pressure load. I ordered some of their extra power recoil springs to keep it from beating itself up. It's nice that you can buy every single part from the factory web page. The factory also makes G10 grips for it now, and the extra stiffness is nice to hold everything together securely.

You could probably also just fill the nose of some silvertips with a drop of epoxy. But double check the law to be sure it would fully satisfy. And it should go without saying that it needs to be tested for reliability, no matter what ammo you choose.
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I didn’t know Seecamp had this. I might order some for my LWS380.
 
Mauser-66-Shooter said:
What’s the penalty for willful violation??
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https://www.nj.gov/njsp/firearms/transport-hollowpoint.shtml

f.Dum-dum or body armor penetrating bullets. (1) Any person, other than a law enforcement officer or persons engaged in activities pursuant to subsection f. of N.J.S.2C:39-6, who knowingly has in his possession any hollow nose or dum-dum bullet, or (2) any person, other than a collector of firearms or ammunition as curios or relics as defined in Title 18, United States Code, section 921 (a) (13) and has in his possession a valid Collector of Curios and Relics License issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, who knowingly has in his possession any body armor breaching or penetrating ammunition, which means: (a) ammunition primarily designed for use in a handgun, and (b) which is comprised of a bullet whose core or jacket, if the jacket is thicker than.025 of an inch, is made of tungsten carbide, or hard bronze, or other material which is harder than a rating of 72 or greater on the Rockwell B. Hardness Scale, and (c) is therefore capable of breaching or penetrating body armor, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. For purposes of this section, a collector may possess not more than three examples of each distinctive variation of the ammunition described above. A distinctive variation includes a different head stamp, composition, design, or color.
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So it's a "crime of the fourth degree." That's a felony. Possible consequences:

  • A permanent felony charge on your record
  • Potential probation
  • Up to 18 months in State Prison
  • Up to 364 days in the county jail
  • Up to a $10,000 fine

Not something to trifle with or ignore.

I don't see anything in the law about polymer-filled hollowpoints, so I'd like to know where that suggestion originated. I think I would be looking for some kind of round nose-flat tip ammo. But I don't know if such exists in .32 ACP.
 
In the 2010 time period, my Seecamp worked with Speer Gold Dot .32 auto.
I fired about 100rds through it and had zero feeding problems.
Tried Speer because of non availability of Silvertip.
This was the only other factory load that worked reliably.
 
I tried that Buffalo Bore round in my Seecamp. It hurt so bad I could not shoot an entire mag through it. I think that WW flat nose as suggested above, may be your best.

Trooper Joe
 
What about Glaser Pow'RBall Ammunition, 32 ACP at 55 Grains? You could always file down the tip if they needed some fitment adjustment.
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Underwood 32 ACP Ammo 55 Grain Lehigh Xtreme Defense Fluted.
 
Koda94 said:
I was wondering if the FOPA law would protect people traveling thru, not certain if I understand it correct but it seems FOPA doesnt cover restricted magazines so my guess is it wont cover ammo restrictions.
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I am not a lawyer, but I'm fairly certain that the FOPA would not help, What the FOPA specifically allows is transporting an unloaded firearm through the state of [wherever], with the firearm separated from the ammunition and either the ammunition or the firearm in a locked container. New Jersey takes that a step further and says the firearm "and" the ammunition must be in a locked container.

The New Jersey law prohibits possession of hollowpoint ammunition. If you have it in your car, you possess it. The FOPA doesn't mention it, so IMHO it's not protected.
 
Hmm... The idea of filling the hollow point "crater" with glue will never work. You will have to possess hollow point bullets before you can fill them, do you not?

I have never thought any state can out do California. NJ has the potential to be one though.

-TL

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