32 Mouse gun nonsense

I troll...therefore I am a Troll.

Are you trolling?

I like the P32 but it seems to be intended for those who have other reasons for ccw. Maybe learning card tricks would be more up their alley, I've been very impressed with some of the tricks I've seen. For self defense instead of the .32 auto, you would be better served throwning a brick, they really hurt!
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if you shoot a small 32 auto you may be relying more on luck and theory than common sense. The 32 auto in any pistol is not a manstopper, and that is the pimary purpose of ccw. If you want to impress you friends with your ccw gun thats one thing, if you want to protect yourself and others that is more demanding than what the .32 auto can deliver
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Sounds like you are trying to irk some folks here. And I'm still at a loss at how you got a 90% stopping power ratio out of your Keltec P11. And you mentioned common sense. I suspect that a lot of 32 caliber shooters carrying the Seecamp, NAA, Kel Tec and others have a lot more common sense than you give them credit for. Enough to keep them alive when the chips are down. And you don't need a card trick when you carry the Ace of Spades in your pocket.

Good Shooting
RED
 
TO ALL YOU BIG-BORE(ing) FANATICS

32? Are you kidding?

Why why why would I want all that extra mass and weight?

Perfectly happy with my 22LR's.

As far as the original portion of this segment: not fully reasoned.
As far as the "don't require accuracy" portion: 'usually'.
As far as "stopping power": my car.
As far as "beer belly": I don't imbibe.
As far as "who uses their sights": survivors.

This topic line is not fully reasoned; too much magazine reading, not enough experience.

Any gun is better than none; First Rule........................
 
I have fired the P32 several times and I think very highly of that pistol but it still has poor sights and is not accurate at any distance beyond 10 feet, if you shoot a small 32 auto you may be relying more on luck and theory than common sense.
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If you really can't hit anything beyond 10 feet with the P32, you're looking in the wrong place for the problem! :rolleyes: You simply need a lot more practice shooting, that seems clear. My P32 is no tackdriver, but I can easily keep all the shots COM at 7 yards rapid fire on a standard silhouette target. If you're much farther than that from the threat, flight or cover is advised, regardless of what caliber you're carrying. We're talking defensive use here, not starting WW3.
 
One more vote for:

-The sights are usable
-Accuracy is not that bad. I routinely shoot at 15 yards, using the sights, and can keep the holes within a couple-3 inches of where Iwant them at that distance.
-The caliber is a compromise. I'd rather carry a 9 (and usually do) but the P-32 is better than a knife (useful at longer distance) and I can carry it anywhere I can carry a wallet.

Think about this--8 hits from a P-32 is about the same as one round of 00 buck (although spread over a few seconds). No one would say 00 buck is not a good stopper...

Who cares if its a one-shot-stop if you can make 5-6 hits in a second or two and still have some in the mag? In an extreme situation, I'm not trying to impress Marshall or Sanow.
 
It's Good Enough . . . .

All most of us need is a way to buy enough time to jump out the window or get the hell out . . . .

.22, .32, .380, .45, gattling gun, hand grenade, -- any one will make enough noise and cause enough confusion to buy a few seconds.

Situational awareness, plus self-confidence, plus resourcefulness, plus a cool head, plus any defensive weapon = safe escape.

"Reasonable" depends on your situation. If a .32 is "reasonable," you don't need a 9mm.
 
<<For self defense instead of the .32 auto, you would be better served throwning a brick, they really hurt>>
You know, I was just thinking the same thing about the 9mm. now if you REALY want to use something 'effective', why dont you just go up one more millimeter :D ;) :D

But in all seriousnes...I have been doing alot of short barreled ballistics testing here lately, and you would be suprised at the results. A short tubed .357 with full-house loads can end up with full-size 9mm-like ft/lb numbers. So you can imagine what a choped barrel does to an already marginal ( ;) )round like the 9mm.
The reason I love my P32, is that I have no excuse to ever go unarmed regardless of dress or weather. Heck, at 6 onces and sporting the pocket clip, you can even carry it at the beach in your swim trunks. I dont carry mine 24/7, but I do carry it in instances where I would have been forced to go without otherwise...instances where a P11 or similar would be impossible to hide. Besides, if my dress is such that I can hide a P11, I can generaly hide a fullsize just as easy.
 
"the bottom line is the effectiveness of the cartridge it fires, not the convenience of concealed carry."

I think someone doesn't have an understanding of the purpose of pocket pistols, mouse-guns, or Vest Pocket pistols.

I also think someone is trolling and had better stop.
"Studys show 9MM is superior to the .32"
Really? That's interesting because Studies also show that getting hit in the head with a hammer causes discomfort. Studies show that busses have more stopping power than bikes when striking pedestrians. Studies show that your chances of being boarded by butt pirates is 10 times greater in prison that in San Francisco. Studies show that angry wookies are likely to rip arms from sockets. Studies are used to point out the totally obvious to the totally lame. Studies also show that I really dislike trolls... a lot. :mad:
 
I carry my P32 everyday at my workplace. I am a closing shift manager at a retail store, with a likelihood of an attempted robbery after hours. However, like the rest of the employees if I am found with a gun on company property I'll promptly be looking for a new job. Most workplaces are like this nowadays, so what good that would do. Since I move around a lot, occasionally lift heavy items for customers, and am in close phyisical contact with customers and coworkers, I CANNOT afford to carry something bigger. It's not just a matter of the gun printing. I have been physically grabbed or touched by other people on many occasions in places where I would likely be hiding a firearm. As a result the only place I can hide a gun is in a hideaway pouch similar to a money belt, hidden underneath my pants with the gun located just below the belt buckle. That's about the only place where I can be sure nobody will try to grab or touch me! It is also a place where any larger firearm would cause a noticeable bulge. So it's either the P32 or nothing. THAT is the whole reason why guns like this exist.
 
Well...

the wife has a .32 Taurus Millennium because it 'doesn't kick much', I have a Kel-Tec p-32 'cause it don't weigh nothing'. The rest of them seem to stay in the safe....
So much for that. I say carry whatever fits and whatever you like to shoot. Better than nothing at all in this Texas heat.
Tom
 
The first rule of a gun fight is to bring a gun. A small caliber handgun that is easy to conceal is better then a rock; if you can find a rock. I've carried a Seecamp and a NAA Guardian 380. I recently bought a Guardian 32. The fact that I own and carry mouse guns, does not mean that it is all I carry.
 
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True many European cops carried 32 auto but the reality was that pistols and daggers were mainly for looks and ceremony. German offers carried .32's often BUT rarely used them in combat! Thats what the P38 and Lugers were issued for. Even submachine guns fired 9mm luger or better, no .32 auto was issued as the primary defensive or offensive weapon in any army for combat use.
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I was under the impression the the German army of ww2 fame issued the .32's as primary defensive weapons for the majority of the Luftwaffe. In addition I understand the Japanese national police force recentl adopted as the primary police service pistol the SIG 232 in .32acp. The .32 was also popular in Spain and Italy as military weapons, along with .380 and 9mm largo. Many are still carried today in europe.

I for one keep a S&W model 38 in my pocket for those times I do not need to be armed but a .32 Kel-Tec is making me think. I believe it is a viable option in the personal defense enviroment.

Maybe not the best choice for all but definately some.
 
I have owned Kel-Tec and NAA .32's and still do carry My Seecamp .32 when any other firearm is just too big to hide(as when wearing a Kilt).I prefer a larger caliber when dress allows it but must say the little pistol is much better than nothing at all.tom.:cool:
 
Another thing to keep in mind is what your lifestyle is. I carry my p32 on my way driving home through a bad neighborhood wher I happen to be the wrong skin color and late night walks with my dogs.
If I were an off duty policeman, where you may go 'looking' for trouble, I'd probably carry my Glock 27. So I think lifestyle is a big determining factor.
It seems really ironic that these companies that keep lots of cash and keep late hours don't allow their employees to protect themselves. So yea, that's the beauty of the p32. I'm sure we would all love to carry full size duty pistols with us everywhere we went, but reality sets in somewhere.
 
That comment about the beer bellies, well I resemble that remark. But I have no delusions about saving anyone except for me or mine.

In any case the biggest thing you can comfortably carry and get to quickly is the best thing to have. Sometimes I just carry a little Browning Baby in .25 in my shirt pocket.

Most of the time I carry a .380 that fits in my pants pocket and can be grabbed and fired very quickly.

Conversely I do haul a full size .45 around in my truck. But I would never try to carry the thing. Even if I am out hunting I only carry a 9mm on a full belt and holster.

I have a Kahr MK40 which fits in my pants pocket but also pulls my pants down if I carry it so if I do it is usually with my hand in my pocket. Once in a while I carry the Kahr IWB. And there are times and places where I feel good having that much punch handy.

Three shots, three feet, three seconds. Then run like hell if you can.

I have never had a civilian encounter with a gun. Never been threatened by one and never used one to back someone off or shoot them. I don't imagine I ever will. So I can't justify carrying around a large gun with any frequency.

But I always try to have something available.
 
My father would love this thread, he starts this arguement all the time. Except he starts it by saying, "Why would any SOB waste his time by carrying a wussy thing like a 9mm." And he always says it when he's bored and would like to see people riled up. I think I see some simularities here.
 
I have owned a KT P32 for several months. I find it is plenty accurate out to 15 yards. I admit 10 yards would be better. While the sights are crude, they do provide a satisfactory sight picture at the ranges that (civilian) self defense occurs. When you get past 10 yards you had better have some special circumstnces to claim self defense.

I agree that the .32 ACP is not the ideal cartridge, but it is better than a .45 at home. I like my P32 and would not want to part with it. Its size and weight make it a gun that one will carry.

Jerry
 
This talk of the 7.65 and German police reminded me of a series of photos from a newsmagazine in the 70s. I had to contact a friend in Germany but I finally found what I wanted. He scanned them in and sent them to me and I have put them up on my server.

Here they are:

http://campaign.duke.edu/~ken/32/32fun.html

Too bad more criminals aren't treated like this.
 
Ken,

Thanks for the link and all that was involved.

The .32 is for up-close-and-personal encounters, but there's an important factor about guns that shoot it that often gets overlooked.

Small, light guns are also quick to manipulate. The target doesn't get time to think "s/he's going for a gun" before actually seeing the gun... probably going off.

I can guarantee you from personal experience that when you're sufficiently surprised by impending obliteration to where you realize you don't have any reaction options, you are mentally stunned into inaction except for reverting to your training. "Deer in the headlights?" Good enough analogy.

Surprise and a .32 slug are quite a combination. With the same degree of surprise, a more potent cartridge would be nice, but I'm not sure that surprise isn't the most important factor of the duo.
 
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