3000 fps rimfire !

[/QUOTE]I have no doubt they have already produced some ammo, but how long before it runs out? If the new cartridge is popular is Winchester going to be able to keep up with the demand? How many of you ever thought you would see the day where bulk packs of .22 LR would sell for over $100?

When manufacturers can't keep up with producing .22 LR, which OS vastly more popular, do you believe that the quantity they have already made is sufficient. My guess is the people who purchase these new rifles will be buying massive quantities of available ammunition to make sure the have it on hand. I just can't imagine Winchester dedicating more resources to getting the new .17 WSM out than keeping up with the demand for more popular rimfire cartridges.[/QUOTE]

Buzzkilll.....
 
Ruger480 said:
Buzzkilll.....
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Yeah, I know. I'm really not trying to be but I can't get exicted over a cartridge I can't reload. If I lived in NY like Brian I might, since he can't use a centerfire cartridge during big game seasons. Luckily I'm not feeling the ammunition crunch as bad as some people as I have enough componets to reload several thousand rounds of cartridges saved up. During the first ammunition/componet shortage I stockpiled things after it was over. I can shoot my centerfires for several years to come.

I just never expeceted to see the crunch hit the rimfire market like it has. I was able to stock up about 5K rounds of .22lr and 1500 .22 WMR at regular prices before they shot up as well. My jaw did drop the other day when I was on Able Ammo's web page and the Federal Auto Match that my wife and daughters Mosquito's like was $120 for a 325 round bulk pack. :eek: Makes me thinks BOHICA when my supply runs out.
 
I wish they would've made the B.MAG a little uglier...


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at least it has the accutrigger.

Wonder how long it will take before somebody is making 10-25 rd mags for it.
 
The Winchester 1885 is much better looking but with an msrp of $1470 I believe I'll pass.

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I would like to see Savage offer the model 93 in .17wsm with a walnut stock.
But they would have to lengthen the action to do so.
 
I want to like the B.Mag but it looks like the designers were not in the clearest mindset when designing it, sitting around drinking drawing it up, got the people that had to be ok with it along for the party. "This is what we came up with." and they were like "Sounds good bob, lets make several million of them".

The Winchester 1885 is beautiful, just so many other guns I would rather pay that money for.
 
Looks mean little in my book. The B-mag will be the first rimfire rifle with a strong enough action to safely fire a 33,000 plus psi pressure since the manufacture of the first Remington 591 and 592 rifles.

It may also, down the road, provide an opportunity to revive the 5mm Remington magnum rimfire.
 
Looks mean little in my book. The B-mag will be the first rimfire rifle with a strong enough action to safely fire a 33,000 plus psi pressure since the manufacture of the first Remington 591 and 592 rifles.

It may also, down the road, provide an opportunity to revive the 5mm Remington magnum rimfire.
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The Ruger 77/22 has been capable of handling 'centerfire' pressures, since it was introduced - even more so, after they went to threaded barrels for everything.
The same goes for most of the CZ rimfire rifles.
The B-Mag isn't' breaking any new ground, except for die-hard Savage fans that are blind to other brands.

The B-Mag is, essentially, Savage's plastic interpretation the 77/22 - and a cheesy cock-on-closing version, at that.
 
Nothing wrong with cock-on-closing, says this Lee-Enfield enthusiast.

I feel this cartridge is going to get hemmed in between the .17 HMR on the low end and .17 Hornet on the high, now that the latter is a factory round (and reloadable to boot).

(OT - On the other hand, that Winchester is gorgeous. Scale it up, chamber it for .303 British, and I'm sold.)
 
Coyote season? Here they are considered vermin. Shoot on sight, day, or night. In some counties there are bounties on coyote. Centerfire 22's are most often used, due to the distances involved.

This new rimfire sounds interesting though. I'd like to see it in a semiauto, like 10-22/17, or Marlin clip fed semi. Might be a fun plinker. I may be hide bound but a 17gr bullet seems like it would bounce off or explode on anything bigger than a prarie dog.
 
Honestly, the round doesn't appeal to me that much. I don't care how fast you drive that little bullet, it's going to lose velocity pretty quickly. You up the size of the bullet much and you're going to lose velocity. If I didn't already own a .17HMR, then I might consider one, but most of my varmint hunting is done with a .223, and a 40gr bullet traveling around 3500 fps will do a lot better job than any .17 I know of. Just my two cents, for what it's worth(not much).
 
Steve, I shoot varmints past the effective range of the .204. Not knocking the .204, but it does nothing I want to do any better than the .22 caliber rifles can do it. The .220 Swift and .22-250 are about 1000x more useful than the .204. They are about 400 FPS faster as well. Supposedly the barrel life on the .204 will be a little better than the .22s, but I dont know anyone who has shot one enough to find out.
 
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The .220 Swift and .22-250 are about 1000x more useful than the .204. They are about 400 FPS faster as well. Supposedly the barrel life on the .204 will be a little better than the .22s, but I dont know anyone who has shot one enough to find out.
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I think you had better go back and check your velocities, if you're beating the .204 by 400 FPS you have some way hot loads. I've found the .204 more useful in prairie dog towns because I can simply get more rounds off before I have to let my barrel cool. I haven't found a coyote yet that will shrug of a properly placed 32-40 grain bullet out of a .204 either.

Now if you're hunting deer sized game then I'd have to agree that the .22's are more useful.
 
I would have to give the .22-250 the edge on effective range. But in every other catagory, including velocity, I like the .204 for yotes/varmints. Not saying its the end-all-be-all varmint caliber, just a personal preference.

But as far as the OP's original caliber of discussion, I think the .17 wsm will make a decent yote gun in areas where centerfires aren't always allowed. But won't take the place of the .204 and .22 caliber centerfires, especially downrange. I'd say it will really shine on varmints at 300 yards and under.
 
The .220 Swift and .22-250 are about 1000x more useful than the .204.
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While 1000X might be stretching it and your velocity numbers are off I'm with ya on the .22-250 being better. Same trajectory out to 300 yards and better thump beyond that.

The .204 has 3 "possible" advantages: #1 would be less recoil, #2 is that the .204 is readily available in AR's and #3 only applies if you have a hidden stash numbering in the 1000's of small rifle primers.

I think the .17 wsm will make a decent yote gun in areas where centerfires aren't always allowed.
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Whether it's decent or not is yet to be determined, I'm not convinced (heck not sold on the .204 for yotes yet), but regardless it will be the BEST rifle option for those in "no centerfire" areas. None of the other current rimfire options come close.
 
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