30-30!
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Rimmed cases will work fine with the Mauser CRF bolt. Its the case taper and receiver (magazine) where sometimes an adjustment is needed. Also the mauser system (Win M70 original) was chambered in .225 Win a rimmed case.
I had a Siamese Mauser in .45-70 ( a conversion from the original rimmed 8mm round). The action will work.
The primary reason, to me, why the .30 Rem "failed" was it wasn't in a Winchester or Marlin rifle.
Lets be clear about something, the .30-30 was NEVER "handicapped" or "kept from reaching its full potential" due to the actions of its rifles, or the pressure it was loaded to. It met its full "potential" the day it first left the factory floor.
More modern developments, allowing us to increase the .30-30's performance, in some modern guns does not mean the original guns and loads were "handicapped" or held back.
Remember that bolt actions were not particularly popular with deer hunters until well after the end of WWI, and handloaders were much less common than today. Simply put, the advantages of a bolt action, and handloading for top performance were not remotely a large demand, until after WW II, when things began to change. The founders of many of the "big" names in reloading got their starts during or just after WWII, when ammo, and particularly bullets were in short supply.
It wasn't the lack of a bolt gun that eventually killed the .30 Rem, (nor the .25 or .32Rem) it was the lack of a lever gun. The Remington pumps and semiautos were decent, even good guns in their day, but they weren't Win 94s or Marlin 336s. Note that the one cartridge from that Remington family that has survived commercially is the .35 Remington.
The reasons are basically two, first, it was chambered in the Marlin lever gun, and second (a lesser reason) there was no Win cartridge that was a direct competitor.
If you took ten average rifle hunters in the area and era I grew up, 5 would be carrying a Win or Marlin .30 or .32. #6 has a Rem pump or auto (in .30 or .32), #7 has a Savage 99, #8 has a Marlin .35, #9 is carrying a bolt gun, possibly a new commercial, but more likely a sporter Krag or other milsurp, and #10 is carrying what ever he could borrow from his friends, because he sold his deer rifle last spring, and hasn't been able to get another, yet...or a shotgun...
The .25, .30 & .32 Rem didn't offer any significant advantage to the Winchester rounds, the general public was unaware of the advantages handloading in a bolt gun could give nor was the bulk of the deer hunter market much into long range shooting, so the advantage of pointed bullets was essentially moot in those days. So, they all faded away...except the .35, thanks to the Marlin being a popular rifle.
I had a Siamese Mauser in .45-70 ( a conversion from the original rimmed 8mm round). The action will work.
The primary reason, to me, why the .30 Rem "failed" was it wasn't in a Winchester or Marlin rifle.
Lets be clear about something, the .30-30 was NEVER "handicapped" or "kept from reaching its full potential" due to the actions of its rifles, or the pressure it was loaded to. It met its full "potential" the day it first left the factory floor.
More modern developments, allowing us to increase the .30-30's performance, in some modern guns does not mean the original guns and loads were "handicapped" or held back.
Remember that bolt actions were not particularly popular with deer hunters until well after the end of WWI, and handloaders were much less common than today. Simply put, the advantages of a bolt action, and handloading for top performance were not remotely a large demand, until after WW II, when things began to change. The founders of many of the "big" names in reloading got their starts during or just after WWII, when ammo, and particularly bullets were in short supply.
It wasn't the lack of a bolt gun that eventually killed the .30 Rem, (nor the .25 or .32Rem) it was the lack of a lever gun. The Remington pumps and semiautos were decent, even good guns in their day, but they weren't Win 94s or Marlin 336s. Note that the one cartridge from that Remington family that has survived commercially is the .35 Remington.
The reasons are basically two, first, it was chambered in the Marlin lever gun, and second (a lesser reason) there was no Win cartridge that was a direct competitor.
If you took ten average rifle hunters in the area and era I grew up, 5 would be carrying a Win or Marlin .30 or .32. #6 has a Rem pump or auto (in .30 or .32), #7 has a Savage 99, #8 has a Marlin .35, #9 is carrying a bolt gun, possibly a new commercial, but more likely a sporter Krag or other milsurp, and #10 is carrying what ever he could borrow from his friends, because he sold his deer rifle last spring, and hasn't been able to get another, yet...or a shotgun...
The .25, .30 & .32 Rem didn't offer any significant advantage to the Winchester rounds, the general public was unaware of the advantages handloading in a bolt gun could give nor was the bulk of the deer hunter market much into long range shooting, so the advantage of pointed bullets was essentially moot in those days. So, they all faded away...except the .35, thanks to the Marlin being a popular rifle.
steveNChunter
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The .35 rem is getting dangerously close to obsolescence IMO. Ammo is nearly impossible to find, so is brass. Marlin has indefinitely suspended production of the .35 rem version of the 336. The only rifle I know of that can be bought new right now in .35 rem is the CVA Hunter and that's probably the least popular chambering for the rifle, just because of ammo availability. The .35 rem is well on its way to being obsolete, and it has the .30-30 to thank in part for it. I also believe you will see AR-friendly rounds like the .300 BLK stealing the .30-30's thunder and eventually pushing it out of the mainstream.
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Sure Shot Mc Gee
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steveNChunter lets discuss that bold statement of yours if you don't mind Sir.
Didn't they say the same for that Russian 7.62 X 39 how it was so close to the ballistics's of a 30-30. And at some point it too would replace the 30-30. {did I miss the event?
} anyhow.
Since the 300 AAC Blackout is a military designed cartridge. I suspect it may have a better chance at replacing the 7.62 X39 at the very least. (Reason being: If its only design & use is in the Colt AR rifle platform. Honestly ARs don't appeal to everyone's idea of a true sporting rifle and that will have some influence on the 300 Blacks popularity. Do you agree?
If Remington is its sole producer of ammo (<I think. But I'm not sure?) Its quite possible your 300 AAC Blackout could meet is demise much sooner than anticipated.
I do think your spot on with the 35 Rem's future. Sure doesn't look good does it.
Didn't they say the same for that Russian 7.62 X 39 how it was so close to the ballistics's of a 30-30. And at some point it too would replace the 30-30. {did I miss the event?
} anyhow. Since the 300 AAC Blackout is a military designed cartridge. I suspect it may have a better chance at replacing the 7.62 X39 at the very least. (Reason being: If its only design & use is in the Colt AR rifle platform. Honestly ARs don't appeal to everyone's idea of a true sporting rifle and that will have some influence on the 300 Blacks popularity. Do you agree?
If Remington is its sole producer of ammo (<I think. But I'm not sure?) Its quite possible your 300 AAC Blackout could meet is demise much sooner than anticipated.
I do think your spot on with the 35 Rem's future. Sure doesn't look good does it.
steveNChunter
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Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of the .30-30 and .35 rem. One of my beloved family heirlooms is a Marlin 336 in .35 rem. Also I do not own a single AR platform rifle, or any semi-automatic rifle other than a 10/22.
The reasoning behind that statement was that the .300 BLK may ride the coattail of the AR and "black gun" craze that's sweeping the nation right now and put more of those type rifles in the hands of hunters, therefore eventually pushing the lever action .30-30 out to pasture. I'm not trying to predict the future I'm just saying it could easily happen. Times they are a changin'
By the way there are a few bolt actions chambered for .300 BLK
The reasoning behind that statement was that the .300 BLK may ride the coattail of the AR and "black gun" craze that's sweeping the nation right now and put more of those type rifles in the hands of hunters, therefore eventually pushing the lever action .30-30 out to pasture. I'm not trying to predict the future I'm just saying it could easily happen. Times they are a changin'
By the way there are a few bolt actions chambered for .300 BLK