30.07 signs appear in TX

From the above linked article:

"...it'll become the 45th state to legalize carrying a pistol in plain sight."

" It'll be the largest state to sanction some form of open carry, with California, Florida, Illinois, New York and South Carolina still banning it."



He didn't mention NJ, and I'm almost positive it's a no-go here. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200, go directly to jail.
 
JohnKSa said:
TX law explicitly spells out the three ways a property owner can ban handgun carry on his property.

.Post a compliant sign. The size of the letters, the location of the sign and the specific wording of the sign are defined by law.

.Notify a person verbally. There is no legal definition of how this must be carried out so the property owner can choose the wording he/she prefers.

.Hand a person a compliant card. The specific wording on the card is defined by law.

Any of these actions (including the verbal warning) has the force of law.
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Does the Spoken Word and the "Compliant Card" have to be given before one enters the establishment to "Carry the Force of Law" or do these carry the "Force of Law" if done after entering?
 
They have force of law in that, if the person does not comply after this notice is given then they are in violation of the law. A legally valid and posted sign makes it a violation to even enter, which is why its the requirements are very strict.
 
I was under the impression that "Force of law" was not the same as a Standard trespass violation, as in failure to leave when asked? I was under the impression that one could be charged with both if one refused to leave , as they are not the same?



What is the Penalty for violating a Compliant No-Guns Sign?

Does this same penalty apply to an individual that violates a verbal Command and/or violating a written Compliant card?
 
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Does the Spoken Word and the "Compliant Card" have to be given before one enters the establishment to "Carry the Force of Law" or do these carry the "Force of Law" if done after entering?
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There is no specification in the law as to when a verbal or a card notification must be given.

A compliant sign must be displayed in a "conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public." That is generally taken to mean that it must be posted at all public entrances in such a way as to make it quite obvious to anyone entering or preparing to enter.
What is the Penalty for violating a Compliant No-Guns Sign?
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It is currently a Class A misdemeanor. In the next few days the law will change and it will become a Class C misdemeanor which escalates to a Class A if the license holder is given oral notice and fails to depart.
Does this same penalty apply to an individual that violates a verbal Command and/or violating a written Compliant card?
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The penalty is the currently the same for all three.

Under the new law the penalty will be the same for all three unless the license holder fails to depart after being given oral notice--that would increase the severity of the crime.
I was under the impression that "Force of law" was not the same as a Standard trespass violation, as in failure to leave when asked?
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It's complicated. The simplest answer is that they are not the same.
I was under the impression that one could be charged with both if one refused to leave , as they are not the same?
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As I understand the law, you can not be charged with both as it appears that TX law exempts license holders from being prosecuted under the standard trespass law if they are eligible for prosecution under the 30.06 or 30.07 laws.
 
Unloaded Open Carry was legal in California, until some well activists held UOC rallys in public places. So many people were panicked by the sight of evil guns that UOC was criminalized as of Jan 2012. I believe we still have Loaded Open Carry, but only in counties with Populations of 200,000 or less.
 
I am not going to get all worked up about 30.07 signs. On the other hand 30.06 signs are an invitation to take my business elsewhere. At least that's where I am today, we will see how my thinking evolves over the next couple years.

I am hoping this is much about nothing. I supported the passing of this law. I am not a member of "Open Carry Texas" and think they made getting this law passed a harder hill to climb for those legislators in favor. If they want to claim credit I am not going to argue with them, just keep my thoughts to myself.

I have no plans to open carry on a regular basis but may do so when appropriate.

Hopefully one of the local restaurants will once a month have "Open Carry Night" where the staff is open carrying (not mandatory, only if they chose) and we can show off our carry rigs. Maybe feature a chicken fried steak cut in the shape of Texas with Texas toast, gravy and vegetable of your choice. Keep it a fun thing.

Looking forward to 2016! And HEY!! the countdown in on until we get a new President.
 
No wonder the stores are prohibiting open display of firearms. It may be legal, but it makes people uneasy (including me) to see a bunch of yahoo morons walking around with AR15s. It's downright embarrassing and makes me ashamed of some of our so-called 2A proponents.
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Yes... I'm here in Texas in the middle of all this, and these guys have been a total disaster. 06/07 signs are exploding all over the state, because business owners are terrified of a bunch of goons in camo and boonie hats walking in with ARs. Moms Demand Action is going around literally door to door passing out legal signs to businesses, and dozens of printing companies are marketing them heavily with email spam and Google ad tracking. And it's all because of these apes.

They have totally ruined the new open carry privilege in Texas.
 
It was predict that such a reaction would occur and yes, it did.

Some folks say that businesses will realize it's stupid and take them down. Don't count on it. We are just lucky as I said before that the legislation didn't allow ghost busters to return. That almost happened.
 
That almost happened.
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Mom's Demand Action pushed to pass a bill (HB 2405) to eliminate the current signage and allow simple no-guns type signs. It did not pass.

http://momsdemandaction.org/in-the-...ass-simplified-pro-business-firearms-signage/

According to the TSRA's lobbyist, the head of Open Carry Texas (C.J. Grisham) supported/partially supported that legislation. I've not been able to find independent confirmation of that fact although Grisham seems to tacitly acknowledge the truth of the allegation with this response on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/cjgrisham/status/675819754389549056
 
http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2016/01/did-open-carry-backfire-on-texas-gun-owners.html/

Makes the point that we lost ground with the negative portrayal of gun owners and correlated increase in 30.06 signs. We got some 06 signs after the OCT prancing around with ARs. That set the increase in 30.07 signs and the joint one.

The Austin Chronicle paper has a front page story and compliant signs for both inside the paper. Just paste them on the door. Just so some jerk can posture.
 
Went to Sea Island, the other night. It is a local small chain inexpensive sea food place (which can do a better job that some of the more expensive ones).

So there is a big fat compliant 30.07 on the door. So for grins, I asked the manager - as he was standing around - why the sign? He said they have an older clientele (OLD) as well as young families with kids. The company did not think open carry was an atmosphere conducive to OC. The really old folks might be upset. They were perfectly fine with guns in the store - as long as concealed. NOT a problem at all.

He said, they had a small number of folks get angry but so what. The place was packed to the gills so I don't think the loss of business threat means squat to a popular place.

Still haven't seen an OC type.
 
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