30-06 vs. .270 win

Flat shooting 270? My auntie's butt!
Zeroed at 300 yds the mid-range trajectory differs about 3/4 inch...

Shooting the same weight bullet... both .270 and 30-06
pretty much the same and very few people can tell the difference in the groups sizes.

At distances beyond 350, the 30-06 will carry a much heavier bullet to the POI and deliver it very satisfactorily.

The .270 is a little brother to the .30-06 and it only recoils a little less because it shoots puny bullets from a much smaller selection tan the thirty... :p

Ask yourself why long distance comp shooters and snipers
use the 30 caliber bullet more than any other... and why they don't use the 270. :rolleyes:
 
Ask yourself why long distance comp shooters and snipers
use the 30 caliber bullet more than any other... and why they don't use the 270.
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First of all LR comp shooters prefer the 6mm and it rules over all cartridges in that respect. Secondly snipers use the 308 because that's what they are given. Third the 7mag shoots better than both the 30-06 and the 308 so why don't snipers use the 7mag then? Lets elaborate. A lot of things come into play here. The military looks at weight of a given cartridge to carry in bulk, how much that cartridge cost, what ranges are going to be engaged, accuracy, knock down power etc. Thus the reasoning of the 308. You can carry more, use much less powder to push that projectile (which cost a great deal less in the long run), have enough energy to cause damage at greater distances, and you can still make engagements up to 1k accurately. Thus the wide variety of bullets for the 30 caliber. The military has multi million dollar contracts for the 30 caliber projectile. So manufacturers are going to spend a great deal of time and money developing quality projectiles in that caliber. Exactly the reasoning for why SOME comp shooters use the 308 because of the wide variety of projectiles available. Just because "comp shooters" and "snipers" don't use the 270 doesn't mean that cartridge can't be as accurate or even more accurate. Lets remember these guys are using 8k rifles. I’m currently in the process of building a custom 270 and having Krieger do the work to hush you 308 guys up. It will be a while before the build is completed as time and patience are a virtue to a quality custom build, but when it is completed I will post the rifle along with the groups. I figure if I can shoot sub-moa with my 55 year old pre-64 and hand loads, a modern custom build should do just as well or better. I've found Berger and Sierras .277 match projectiles are very accurate. Ok now I’m done.
 
Ask yourself why long distance comp shooters and snipers
use the 30 caliber bullet more than any other... and why they don't use the 270.
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And just how many competition bullets are available in the .277" diameter?

Availability of components is a major factor in shooters deciding what to use. Contrary to popular belief, it is not a matter of 'the demand creates a supply'. In competition shooting, the supply must be created before the demand; for the general population to consider a change. (Not to mention the competition classes that don't allow a .277" bore to compete.)

The .30-06 is a great all-around cartridge. In particular, it does well with heavy bullets. (Much like the 8x57JS Mauser, which offers a better sectional density and often outperforms the 06 with heavy stuff...)

Since I am not into all-around performance, I choose to tailor my rifles to the situations they are intended to be used in.
The .270 Winchester was designed around 100-140gr projectiles. Anything over 150gr is a waste of time. I sling 130s at Antelope, Deer, Elk and anything that will fit in a dutch oven. I vaporize rabbits, prairie dogs, and squirrels with 100gr HPs. I have Elk loads that range from 130-150gr, but the 130s are what a .270 loves. I like what mine will do.

However, it doesn't fit the bill, all of the time. When I need heavier projectiles, I step up to the 8x57JS or 7.62x54R. (Look at some ballistics charts and reloading data. The 7.62x54R keeps right up with the 06 for most loads, and actually scales better for certain heavier bullets {more efficient, more velocity - I suspect case shape}).

I'll check with my dad. The day I dropped three antelope with my .270, this year, he dropped one with his 06. I'll see if his was more dead than mine.
 
My brother and I had this arguemant for 20 years he had the 06 and me the .270. In the end I decided there is not a spit worth of difference in them except bullet size. If I were hunting Griz I would want the 06 if I were shooting rabbits the .270 but both will do either job in a pinch. To let you know how the 20 year argument went, we now both tote Ruger M77 Hawkwyes in 300 RCM.
 
I was out hunting a few years ago with my buddy. He has a 30-06 and I have a 270. We had 3 deer come up to us. We both pulled up and on 3 we shot. My deer dropped right where it was his ran about 25 yards. Both are great and will do the job. I saw in the OP that it will be used for deer so either is going to be more than enough.
 
They are both too close to really make a differance.

Personally I use the 270 for Elk, not saying its better, its that my '06 loading is set up for target shooting.

Having said that, PERSONALLY, I think they are both too heavy for deer/antilope. For that class of animal I like the 243/257 Roberts.

I'll stick to my 257 Roberts for deer, 270 for elk, and '06 for my match M1.

BUT if we all agree about what gun/ammo is best, there would be nothing to talk about and we wouldnt have TFL or other gun forums.

That would really suck.
 
One product not mentioned

3,000fps and 3,000 ft. lbs. what's not to like?

The Hornady high energy loads. They were named "Light magnum?"

They use a powder not available to the reloaders. This is factory

ammo that has high accuracy to boot. The 180 grain 30-06 is the better

Elk load in my experience. They both are almost perfect for Deer.

How could anyone argue against the Late Jack O'Connor?

How many of us bought those Remington 55 grain Accelerators in 30-06

when they first came out? Thinking we had 22-250 accuracy only to

find we did not? The 30-06 has more history and bullet weights.

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I think there is not enough difference to matter also.
 
Bought a .270 Model 70 in 2000...

...paid $25 to have the trigger adjusted, everything I have put the crosshairs on since that date has fallen to one 130gr bullet per head of game.

Call me satisfied. I have other rifles, this one just gets carried the most.
 
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